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09-27-2014 05:39 AM
Rockter
Re: About to buy, nagging engine issue - seeking advice

To anyone in the future, I would be very wary indeed about going near any motor that needs ether to start it.
The motor will get addicted to it very quickly, if it isn't already.
The ether will be detonating on the compression stroke as the piston rises and will pound the heck out of the piston crowns and the rings.
The owner must demonstrate to you that the engine starts reliably without narcotics.
Please don't touch it if it doesn't.
It will be nothing but trouble, and the trouble will worsen.
09-25-2014 06:01 PM
planetminder
Re: About to buy, nagging engine issue - seeking advice

Thought I'd post a follow up to this thread, as today I got some answers.

We ended up buying the boat, of course, and moved aboard a couple weeks ago. I put maybe 10 or so hrs on the engine over the summer, but it wasn't until we were aboard full time that I had the time to really look into this starting issue. The engine started blowing some black smoke, even when fully warm, in addition to requiring lots of cranking. On the advice of a local diesel mechanic, I pulled the injectors and found one to be wet w/fuel, all were pretty coked up. I took them in to be tested, and low and behold, they were ALL leaking, spurting, and generally in bad shape. The previous owner, who rebuilt the engine, claimed the injectors "have been rebuilt", though he didn't specify when. I suppose it's possible that they became fouled from a couple years of disuse...In any case, with rebuilt injectors installed today, the engine starts and runs perfectly, with zero smoke.

Thanks again for the discussion.

David
04-22-2014 03:05 PM
BlueWind
Re: About to buy, nagging engine issue - seeking advice

It is my understanding that WD40 no longer has a flammable propellant and should not be used. In cold weather I hang a heat gun from the ladder and direct the heat towards the glow plugs and air intake, but not too close. Four or five minutes and 15 seconds on the glow plugs I have a quick start. 1981 Catalina 27.
04-11-2014 08:43 PM
zeehag
Re: About to buy, nagging engine issue - seeking advice

cb in ri.... we dont have em on ours here...is unnecesary ..mine is a quick start, when it ran..lol before it sed ka lunk...but it doesnt freeze here...ever.

and may is reinstall ka lunk month... want pix of how a lady installs an engine????
04-11-2014 05:38 PM
Power For Sail
Re: About to buy, nagging engine issue - seeking advice

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That's sounds great, but I'd suggest it as somewhat un-professional to brashly toss out a number for a difficult job you likely don't understand (ever pull a W33 from a CS 36T...ever been on a CS 36T?). So some of the kids may be impressed but I am not.
Not looking to impress anyone, Especially the fine members on this forum you are referring to as "KIDS" It is what it is. We guarantee it !!
04-08-2014 11:27 PM
CBinRI
Re: About to buy, nagging engine issue - seeking advice

My Perkins 4.108 definitely needed 12-15 seconds of glow if it was cold.
04-08-2014 06:54 PM
christian.hess
Re: About to buy, nagging engine issue - seeking advice

here is an engine install on a 36t right here from sailnet

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/cs-yac...ng-cs-36t.html

am I missing something?

whats worth 6k to install?

a boom, chain pulleys and a standard new mounts, shaft alignment, prop change etc...

if you or anybody think 6k is REASONABLE for an install then well I congratulate you

you are in the 1 percent who thinks so
04-08-2014 06:42 PM
sailingfool
Re: About to buy, nagging engine issue - seeking advice

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Originally Posted by Power For Sail View Post
$6K the yard's extract/installation work????? SERIOUSLY??? OMG, i need their salesman, LOL We would have charged no more than $2K....
That's sounds great, but I'd suggest it as somewhat un-professional to brashly toss out a number for a difficult job you likely don't understand (ever pull a W33 from a CS 36T...ever been on a CS 36T?). So some of the kids may be impressed but I am not.
04-08-2014 06:01 PM
zeehag
Re: About to buy, nagging engine issue - seeking advice

omydog...i removed mine myself. i am an old female..wtf 6000...holymofgods..someone pay me 12000 for having done this TWICE inmy own boat,,MYSELF!!!!!!!!!,,, hail marys....
geez this threadis giving me a stroke. wow ..... please where do i sign up for working..i know at least as much as your alleged repair guy and i am cheaper..lol i could use some fuel tank building dough.
04-08-2014 05:54 PM
Power For Sail
Re: About to buy, nagging engine issue - seeking advice

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Actually I suspect not. You dont understand the numbers here. For example, in my circumstance, although the comparable engine is a Beta35, if one were to go with a new Beta30 (BETA MARINE WEST | West Coast Distributor for Beta Marine Engines) at $12k for the engine with shipping, add the $6K the yard's extract/installation work (which no suggested alternative reduces, unless you do it yourself..) and you get to $18K. A different engine adds new costs at least for engine mount changes, re-wiring, new hoses, and panel replacement, which would conservatively run $3K. The only offset is whatever you can get on EBay for the old block.

So the real choice to the rebuild at $12K is a new engine at $20K. To me the additional cost made no financial sense, I guess if I expected the keep the boat for life, and was younger, the extra $8K for a Yanmar could have worked...
$6K the yard's extract/installation work????? SERIOUSLY??? OMG, i need their salesman, LOL We would have charged no more than $2K....
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