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08-21-2007 06:38 PM
RealityCheck
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Originally Posted by sailingdog View Post
I believe most Ham operators can operate on the SSB frequencies legally, or at least monitor them. You may want to setup a schedule with the ham operator for him to monitor SSB frequencies for communications from you.

He can monitor SSB frequencies and you can listen on Ham frequencies... you just can't transmit on them...and it may not be necessary to do so.

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Ham SSB and marine SSB are different frequencies and to use them you must be licensed as indicated above. The Ham can not use the marine SSB unless he has a station and operators license for marine SSB which most do not have unless they are involved in actual sailing.

Also while you and anyone can listen in on Ham frequecies... a Ham can Not broadcast to you... that is illegal. Hams are required to be in direct communications with someone and may not broadcast in the blind.

I recently completed the first part of Amateur Licensing necessary to use the Ham frequencies. I'll be taking the General test in the next few months to get the HF privileges necessary for long haul radio communications. I'll also have both a ships radio license and a marine radio operators license which as simply filling out the necessary forms and payment of fees, no test required for the marine radio stuff.

Several radios are available that will function on both the Amateur and Marine bands. You must still be licensed to use each of them even if your radio is capable.

For more info on Amateur Radio you can go to www.arrl.org

I agree that it is probably a very good idea to have a cruising sailor with a license for both Marine and Amature radio services onboard... it adds a safety factor and some fun.
08-19-2007 12:56 PM
Valiente That's the gear I'm going to get after I get my Canadian licence. It's unusual that people seem to agree on gear so resoundingly, but if it's not an old Kenwood TS-50S rig, marine band sailor seem to own or to lust after the ICOM M-802 with the AT-140 tuner and a Pactor III modem. Add a GAM antenna and you have the default choice, it seems.
08-19-2007 12:21 PM
SimonV CAM & DON
An Iridium phone is expensive to own and use, I intend to fit an Icom M-802 with AT140 auto tuner, using an SCS pactorIII modem also need DSC antena kit, total $4449 I will look into a Ham License.

Edit: even if the boat a get has an old SSB I will be upgradinig to the above set.
08-19-2007 10:24 AM
camaraderie Simon...if that is your plan...get an SSB with ham frequencies and a ham license and keep your dad legal. Or an Iridium phone!
08-19-2007 09:59 AM
donradclife Simon,

Don't know for sure about the rules in OZ, but in the US your dad would have to go to a friend's boat to talk to you on the SSB. Shore station licenses for the marine frequencies are available, but quite hard to get--you have have a good reason for the station, like running a fleet of tugboats, and it takes a long time to get one.

The ham operators are quite helpful if you work within their system, but are afraid of losing their licenses and/or fequencies if people violate the rules. With the no-code licenses, its easier to get a ham license--even my non-technical wife just got her general ticket. If the Ozzie ham system is still making things hard, all you need to get a US license is a US address for them to send mail to.
08-19-2007 02:18 AM
SimonV I have read all this thread and my head is swimming, it would seem the Ham operators are defending their territory vehemently.

My question: I am on my boat in the south Pacific I have an SSB and sail mail. I converse with my father in Australia daily by email. My fathers neighbour is a Ham operator and has access to all the marine frequencies. What stops me from having voice contact with my dad on his equipment, or does my dad have to travel 15 miles to a friend’s boat and use his marine transceiver.

We are talking about scheduled contact for a short time each day????? Not some dweeb talking **** and being a PITA.
08-18-2007 11:14 PM
hellosailor "If you are operating on an amateur radio band without a license, what call sign do you use ?"
Which call sign would you like to use today? One taken at random? One from the database of unassigned available calls? One from someone who has recently died?
Hams with internet access will often check out a call sign when they hear it (from a live database) and those with offline computers will often have an offline recent copy to work with. But many simply assume the call sign they are being given, is real.
So you can get away without a license for a while. The trick is, once you PO a few hams that way, they'll help the FCC track you down, and then the FCC will send you a demand letter asking for an explanation, a fine of up to $10,000 per incident, and a discussion about incarceration. Some people take the chance anyway.
08-18-2007 11:12 PM
wind_magic
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Originally Posted by k1vsk View Post
Not if you want anyone to respond. Hams are rather sensitive to intruders and will not respond to you unless it is an obvious emergency. In answer to your question, and to state the obvious, if you don't have a license, you don't have a callsign
Agreed.

It might not have been obvious, but what I was doing was asking a rhetorical question to the original poster [EDIT - To Omatako I mean], NOT asking the forum an actual question about how I should operate on the HAM bands without a license. [EDIT - I should have quoted what s/he said about using the HAM bands w/o a license]. I'm a licensed HAM operator.
08-18-2007 11:04 PM
k1vsk
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If you are operating on an amateur radio band without a license, what call sign do you use ? On HAM bands you have to identify all of your transmissions, do you just not do that and start talking on the radio ?

Not if you want anyone to respond. Hams are rather sensitive to intruders and will not respond to you unless it is an obvious emergency. In answer to your question, and to state the obvious, if you don't have a license, you don't have a callsign
08-18-2007 10:56 PM
wind_magic If you are operating on an amateur radio band without a license, what call sign do you use ? On HAM bands you have to identify all of your transmissions, do you just not do that and start talking on the radio ?
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