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09-12-2014 03:27 PM
Group9
Re: Florida is at it again

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Originally Posted by inshallamiami View Post
Jon Eisberg......"cruisers assisted living facility" that is FUNNY! you should see the one down here in Rio Dulce, Guatemala!

interestingly, its problematic to anchor down here due to the risk of crime; boarding, attacking, theft. Maybe Floridian locals could try these methods and decrease anchoring the Central American way
Harder to do that in Florida. Everybody packs.
09-12-2014 03:02 PM
inshallamiami
Re: Florida is at it again

Jon Eisberg......"cruisers assisted living facility" that is FUNNY! you should see the one down here in Rio Dulce, Guatemala!

interestingly, its problematic to anchor down here due to the risk of crime; boarding, attacking, theft. Maybe Floridian locals could try these methods and decrease anchoring the Central American way
09-12-2014 02:26 PM
JonEisberg
Re: Florida is at it again

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Originally Posted by BubbleheadMd View Post
I hate to say this, but I suspect that the amount of tourism income and taxes generated by cruisers is a very small percentage of Florida's overall revenue, and that state and local governments are more concerned with the amount of taxes that wealthy waterfront landowners contribute to the pot.

Cruiser income is considered not worth the hassle when you think about the clean up costs of derelict vessels and the "floating homeless".
Yup, I always get a chuckle from how grossly many folks seem to overestimate the economic contribution the typical Mom & Pop cruisers might 'pour' into the state's revenue stream... Taken as a whole over the course of a single Snowbird Season, it's probably on a par with what Steven Spielberg's 268-footer spends while simply tied to the dock at Pier 66... :-)





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Originally Posted by BubbleheadMd View Post
It seems to me that this problem is a combination of wealthy landowners throwing their influence around AND some boaters being bad neighbors.
That's exactly right... I have to admit, if I owned one of those beautiful homes lining the periphery of Lake Sylvia, and some cruising boat parked himself right in front of my place and ran his crappy construction site generator from Harbor Freight on deck all day long and into the night, for days on end, well... you can bet I'd be exploring ways to have him 'evicted', as well...

As is so often the case, all it takes is a few bad apples... Of course, he was a bother to the other cruisers anchored there, as well... Several approached him and tried to reason with him, but to no avail, he claimed he absolutely, positively needed to be running that noisy piece of crap whenever he was awake...

I swear, in some of these situations, one can't help but thinking of resorting to a bit of 'Vigilante Justice'...

:-)
09-12-2014 02:25 PM
JonEisberg
Re: Florida is at it again

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Originally Posted by BubbleheadMd View Post
I hate to say this, but I suspect that the amount of tourism income and taxes generated by cruisers is a very small percentage of Florida's overall revenue, and that state and local governments are more concerned with the amount of taxes that wealthy waterfront landowners contribute to the pot.

Cruiser income is considered not worth the hassle when you think about the clean up costs of derelict vessels and the "floating homeless".
Yup, I always get a chuckle from how grossly many folkss seem to overestimate the economic contribution the typical Mom & Pop cruisers might 'pour' into the state's revenue stream... Taken as a whole over the course of a single Snowbird Season, it's probably on a par with what Steven Spielberg's yacht spends while simply tied to the dock at Pier 66... :-)





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Originally Posted by BubbleheadMd View Post
It seems to me that this problem is a combination of wealthy landowners throwing their influence around AND some boaters being bad neighbors.
That's exactly right... I have to admit, if I owned one of those beautiful homes lining the periphery of Lake Sylvia, and some cruising boat parked himself right in front of my place and ran his crappy construction site generator from Harbor Freight on deck all day long and into the night, for days on end, well... you can bet I'd be exploring ways to have him 'evicted', as well...

As is so often the case, all it takes is a few bad apples... Of course, he was a bother to the other cruisers anchored there, as well... Several approached him and tried to reason with him, but to no avail, he claimed he absolutely, positively needed to be running that noisy piece of crap whenever he was awake...

I swear, in some of these situations, one can't help but thinking of resorting to a bit of 'Vigilante Justice'...

:-)
09-12-2014 01:53 PM
Group9
Re: Florida is at it again

Anybody here, think for one second, that any Florida legislator or politician, would have any thoughts whatsoever, about boats and anchoring, one way or the other, without some deep pocket campaign contributor calling them up and telling them what thoughts to have?

Me, either.
09-12-2014 12:48 PM
BubbleheadMd
Re: Florida is at it again

I'm fuzzy on the issue of state vs. federal "navigable waterway".
I thought that if a waterway was designated as "navigable", that it fell under federal jurisdiction. (Army Corps of Engineers and other agencies)

Ergo, a state cannot legally deny access to a "navigable waterway". Obviously my understanding of this situation is flawed.

I hate to say this, but I suspect that the amount of tourism income and taxes generated by cruisers is a very small percentage of Florida's overall revenue, and that state and local governments are more concerned with the amount of taxes that wealthy waterfront landowners contribute to the pot.

Cruiser income is considered not worth the hassle when you think about the clean up costs of derelict vessels and the "floating homeless".

It seems to me that this problem is a combination of wealthy landowners throwing their influence around AND some boaters being bad neighbors.
09-12-2014 11:30 AM
SVAuspicious
Re: Florida is at it again

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Originally Posted by JonEisberg View Post
I'm wondering whether the proposed 300' offset would apply to mooring fields, as well? If so, virtually all of the mooring field at Las Olas in Lauderdale would have to disappear, and the size of the 'Cruiser's Assisted Living Facility' in Boot Key would probably be reduced significantly...
Good question. I'll pass it along.
09-12-2014 11:17 AM
JonEisberg
Re: Florida is at it again

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Originally Posted by SVAuspicious View Post
Mike Ahart at Waterway Guide did a rendering of the waterways around Ft Lauderdale commonly used by cruisers for anchoring with the 300' offset superimposed. That offset would essentially make Ft Lauderdale a no anchoring zone. See Anchoring Battles Reach a New Level in Florida | Sail Magazine .

I think 1.5 x the LOA of docked boats as a courtesy to local boat owners trying to get on and off their own docks is quite reasonable. That is similar to the similar offset requirement in the City of Annapolis.
I'm wondering whether the proposed 300' offset would apply to mooring fields, as well? If so, virtually all of the mooring field at Las Olas in Lauderdale would have to disappear, and the size of the 'Cruiser's Assisted Living Facility' in Boot Key would probably be reduced significantly...

I'm gonna guess the answer to that would probably be a "No"?

For, as everyone knows, boats lying neatly to revenue-generating moorings lined up like rows of corn are FAR less unsightly, objectionable, or intrusive than those randomly placed at anchor...

:-)


09-12-2014 09:58 AM
SVAuspicious
Re: Florida is at it again

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Originally Posted by Minnewaska View Post
That said, I find we have to be reasonable to co-exist. Personally, I would be very uncomfortable being less than 300 ft off a waterfront homes lawn, just for running aground, if not privacy. As we all know, that feels much much closer than that. 150 ft off a mooring field doesn't sound too tough to me, but I'm sure I've been closer in a pinch.
Mike Ahart at Waterway Guide did a rendering of the waterways around Ft Lauderdale commonly used by cruisers for anchoring with the 300' offset superimposed. That offset would essentially make Ft Lauderdale a no anchoring zone. See Anchoring Battles Reach a New Level in Florida | Sail Magazine .

I think 1.5 x the LOA of docked boats as a courtesy to local boat owners trying to get on and off their own docks is quite reasonable. That is similar to the similar offset requirement in the City of Annapolis.
09-12-2014 08:36 AM
Minnewaska
Re: Florida is at it again

I don't boat in FL and it certainly sounds tough down there. I'm guessing, due to the year round climate, that permanent crappy stuff is more common than up here. However, landlubbers can be territorial and far outnumber boaters in our democratic system. Feels like a huge uphill battle.

That said, I find we have to be reasonable to co-exist. Personally, I would be very uncomfortable being less than 300 ft off a waterfront homes lawn, just for running aground, if not privacy. As we all know, that feels much much closer than that. 150 ft off a mooring field doesn't sound too tough to me, but I'm sure I've been closer in a pinch.

Of course, I do not have a personal appreciation of what is left to anchor in, after restrictions like these. Hope it all settles down.
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