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05-13-2014 10:47 PM
juggleandhope
Re: How Low Can We Go? (hp)

Thanks much for your replies and the sympathy for different sides of the dilemma.

Have looked into Torqueedo but the engine plus the batteries would cost significantly more than the rest of the boat.

Will buy the straps and look into reconfiguring topping lift (no spare main halyard) to help lift the engine with the straps. Might jerry-rig (no offense to die Deutschen) a cover for the bottom of the well and just lie the 2 stroke on its side most of the time in case I need it. (I'm imagining an epoxied board with stiff and thin side flaps with shock-cords that i could lower down sideways and then fish up and catch the edges and then tension it to stay there).

The two reasons I don't want to make a transom-mount and just epoxy over the hole and repurpose the rear lazarrette are;
1. then the ugly engine is flapping in the breeze and i have to look at it
2. it's less functional than it would be in the well if there were big chop (as hellosailor points out).
05-13-2014 01:42 AM
MedSailor
Re: How Low Can We Go? (hp)

Have you considered a torqueedo? They're light, dissasemble easily, and since you don't motor much, might be perfect for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2psNmnACpY

MedSailor
05-12-2014 08:10 PM
SHNOOL
Re: How Low Can We Go? (hp)

The outboards that start with internal AND external connections start at 4hp.

Otherwise, I have nothing to add.
05-12-2014 04:57 PM
MarkSF
Re: How Low Can We Go? (hp)

I just wanted to suggest that, whatever engine you get, it has the external tank option. I think the Tohatsu 3.5 does not. Topping off that 1 litre tank regularly is no fun at all while doing an extended cruise under power.
05-12-2014 02:05 PM
dabnis
Re: How Low Can We Go? (hp)

Quote:
Originally Posted by hellosailor View Post
Paul, bear in mind that if you cut up the transom or do some other "improvement" you will probably destroy the resale value of the boat. In case you don't plan to keep it forever, or give it away when you're done.

With something like an engine, it is impossible to drop it over the side unless you really want to drop it over the side. You buy some web strapping, or some stainless cable, and you attach it to the engine and the hull. Worst case is that you drop the engine, it gets submerged, and you pull it back onboard.

Probably the simplest solution is just to use the topping lift (if you have one) or rig something else so you can hoist the engine up and lay it down in the well or nearby, with it secured to the boat and with a mechanical advantage to make it easy.

When a boat is designed with a well (personally I call it a bastard design, I don't like them) that usually means the designer wanted to get the weight off the transom, and if that's what they wanted, and they went to the expense of a well do to that....I wouldn't be so eager to undo all that work.

If you just want the engine for docking or maneuvering in sheltered waters (i.e. Sheepshead Bay) probably anything will do. If you want to buck a five or six knot current with a 20-knot headwind against you...You might as well go for the lightest 9.9 that you can find, or something close to it. And it will still be easier to handle if you arrange to hoist it, because all it takes is one lurch from a passing wake, and you can easily throw your back out or drop any load--like an outboard.

If you have a spare main halyard, that makes a perfect extra lifting line.
Hello, from my earlier post # 9:

Quote:
From the pictures I think cutting a hole in the transom would be risky business. The whole structure seems to be all tied in together. Might not be good strength & re-sale wise? If you get a chance take a look at the well arrangement on a Coronado 25. Pretty good design & done by the factory. Yours looks a whole lot different.
Looks like my reply to Jugg kind of all ran together?

Paul T
05-12-2014 12:43 PM
christian.hess
Re: How Low Can We Go? (hp)

dont go trade sailiing on port tack like that...you well get massive amounts of water in there pounding to high hell...

id seal it up

but thats just me
05-12-2014 12:39 PM
Alex W
Re: How Low Can We Go? (hp)

I had also assumed this was a transom mounted engine. I've never seen a well on a Folkboat. Having the prop a little forward like that is nice, but probably unnecessary with a 25" prop shaft. I'd remove the well and fix the hull there and mount the engine on the transom where it can be pivoted out of the water. I would not cut open the transom as you've proposed.
05-11-2014 11:56 PM
hellosailor
Re: How Low Can We Go? (hp)

Paul, bear in mind that if you cut up the transom or do some other "improvement" you will probably destroy the resale value of the boat. In case you don't plan to keep it forever, or give it away when you're done.

With something like an engine, it is impossible to drop it over the side unless you really want to drop it over the side. You buy some web strapping, or some stainless cable, and you attach it to the engine and the hull. Worst case is that you drop the engine, it gets submerged, and you pull it back onboard.

Probably the simplest solution is just to use the topping lift (if you have one) or rig something else so you can hoist the engine up and lay it down in the well or nearby, with it secured to the boat and with a mechanical advantage to make it easy.

When a boat is designed with a well (personally I call it a bastard design, I don't like them) that usually means the designer wanted to get the weight off the transom, and if that's what they wanted, and they went to the expense of a well do to that....I wouldn't be so eager to undo all that work.

If you just want the engine for docking or maneuvering in sheltered waters (i.e. Sheepshead Bay) probably anything will do. If you want to buck a five or six knot current with a 20-knot headwind against you...You might as well go for the lightest 9.9 that you can find, or something close to it. And it will still be easier to handle if you arrange to hoist it, because all it takes is one lurch from a passing wake, and you can easily throw your back out or drop any load--like an outboard.

If you have a spare main halyard, that makes a perfect extra lifting line.
05-11-2014 11:14 PM
christian.hess
Re: How Low Can We Go? (hp)

Quote:
Originally Posted by juggleandhope View Post
Thanks for the replies.

Right now I'm thinking that for this season I'll just keep the one I've got and pull it out of the well when it will be several days before I use it again, just lay it on its side (2 strokes don't mind that, right?).

Probably before that I'll try out some smaller hp engines just to see it, from someone in the club.

If I do decide to do the surgery it won't be as simple as Baldwin's - I'd be cutting into the area between the transom and the existing well. So I'd have to put up small bulkheads to keep a following sea from flooding into the actual boat, under the cockpit. Probably would have to cut off the back wall of the well and then extend the existing 3 sides back to the transom. A lot of scary work, there.

Several photos;




gosh why did they do that man?

on my old marieholm folkboat I had a nice 5hp merc on a nice little bracket that was spring loaded...came out of the water in an upright position and was way down for use normally

that hole is hideous...and definitely messes with your water flow heeled over

man
05-11-2014 09:57 PM
dabnis
Re: How Low Can We Go? (hp)

[QUOTE=juggleandhope;1828650]Thanks for the replies.

Right now I'm thinking that for this season I'll just keep the one I've got and pull it out of the well when it will be several days before I use it again, just lay it on its side (2 strokes don't mind that, right?).

Probably before that I'll try out some smaller hp engines just to see it, from someone in the club.

If I do decide to do the surgery it won't be as simple as Baldwin's - I'd be cutting into the area between the transom and the existing well. So I'd have to put up small bulkheads to keep a following sea from flooding into the actual boat, under the cockpit. Probably would have to cut off the back wall of the well and then extend the existing 3 sides back to the transom. A lot of scary work, there.

From the pictures I think cutting a hole in the transom would be risky business. The whole structure seems to be all tied in together. Might not be good strength & re-sale wise? If you get a chance take a look at the well arrangement on a Coronado 25. Pretty good design & done by the factory. Yours looks a whole lot different.

Paul T
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