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05-16-2014 04:09 PM
SVAuspicious
Re: KISS-SSB grounding package review?

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Originally Posted by windward54 View Post
If the foil is run to the thru hull, and the hose clamp is only to hold the foil in place, why whould it make a difference? The reason I ask is using a hose clamp to hold the foil in place was the way Gordon West told me to do it.
In my experience hose clamps don't work well. Corrosion is fast, they loosen, and the deformation of the foil regularly leads to mechanical failure.

I don't recommend them. Drilling and tapping a small hole is easy, fast, and more reliable.

Incidentally, the coils of wire around the stanchion base will form a small inductor. As long as the tuner loads correctly and the stanchion and lifelines aren't bonded it should be fine. Still, it would be better not to do that.
05-15-2014 03:56 PM
casey1999
Re: KISS-SSB grounding package review?

I would say you are good with a hose clamp. Your RF ground system should work. I understand you wrapped the long wire antenna around a stanchion. I would not do that. The RF from the antenna will get grounded. you could tie a line to the stanchion and then to the antenna wire to insulate it from the ground. Even though your antenna wire is insulated- this is not a RF insulator.
05-15-2014 01:10 PM
windward54
Re: KISS-SSB grounding package review?

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Originally Posted by SVAuspicious View Post
I'm with on all but this. Hose clamps don't make good electrical connectors. Drill and tap a small hole and crimp a ring terminal (or use copper strap with a hole) to bolt the ground to the thru-hull.
I have to ask on this one. If the foil is run to the thru hull, and the hose clamp is only to hold the foil in place, why whould it make a difference? The reason I ask is using a hose clamp to hold the foil in place was the way Gordon West told me to do it. It's not the hose clamp that makes the connection, it's the foil-to thru hull connection. Gordon West just told me to make sure the thru hull was clean, and then clamp the foil directly onto the thru hull.
05-14-2014 06:33 PM
SVAuspicious
Re: KISS-SSB grounding package review?

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Originally Posted by edakira View Post
Then I grounded the radio to a bronze thru hull w SS hose clamp. Should that theoretically be working?
I'm with you on all but this. Hose clamps don't make good electrical connectors. Drill and tap a small hole and crimp a ring terminal (or use copper strap with a hole) to bolt the ground to the thru-hull.
05-13-2014 12:47 PM
edakira
Re: KISS-SSB grounding package review?

Thank you both for prompt replies. I just hoisted about 48 ft of insulated copper wire (12 awg) that I had a spool of. I ran it up alongside a halyard, using a few clamps to keep the wire stable and somewhat taut. I went up the stern, keeping away from backstay, stopping about 6 ft short of top of mast. At deck, I did wrap it a few times around a SS stanchion before dropping it into an aft lazarette and connecting it to the AH-4 tuner. As a temp counterpoise, I cut an old 50' extension cord in half and ran the two 25' lengths forward and down below, keeping them parallel but at least 4-6' apart. Then I grounded the radio to a bronze thru hull w SS hose clamp. Should that theoretically be working?

Yes, surprising I passed both the tech and general tests. For me, quite a learning curve and all of this new. I'm not a techie but wanting to understand obviously. So much info out on the internet thats both useful but also completely contradictory. Thanks for any patience and suggestions for this no budget newbie.
05-12-2014 12:35 PM
seafox369
Re: KISS-SSB grounding package review?

Agreed, I have a Hunter 456 with no backstay and an ICOM 802. Hoisted a SS wire to the top of the mast. Keep it at least 2' from the top going aft to the davits. Works just fine.



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Originally Posted by SVAuspicious View Post
I'm disappointed that you passed your ham exam and don't know the answer.

Yes - you can hoist wire - insulated or not up the mast. Try to keep it as far as you practically can from the mast and stays and shrouds.
05-12-2014 12:27 PM
SVAuspicious
Re: KISS-SSB grounding package review?

Quote:
Originally Posted by edakira View Post
A quick question re the kiss counterpoise. If I purchase one and install - but do not have an insulated backstay (and cannot afford one) - can I literally just hoist an insulated wire up the mast? Or what might be a reasonably priced antenna for a hundred bucks or less? It's a ham system - Icom 718 and AH-4 tuner I bought used. Trying to figure this out on my own has been a whirlwind of info. Any thoughts appreciated thanks.
I'm disappointed that you passed your ham exam and don't know the answer.

Yes - you can hoist wire - insulated or not up the mast. Try to keep it as far as you practically can from the mast and stays and shrouds.
05-12-2014 11:57 AM
edakira
Re: KISS-SSB grounding package review?

A quick question re the kiss counterpoise. If I purchase one and install - but do not have an insulated backstay (and cannot afford one) - can I literally just hoist an insulated wire up the mast? Or what might be a reasonably priced antenna for a hundred bucks or less? It's a ham system - Icom 718 and AH-4 tuner I bought used. Trying to figure this out on my own has been a whirlwind of info. Any thoughts appreciated thanks.
12-12-2013 06:59 PM
btrayfors
Re: KISS-SSB grounding package review?

Yep, it simply works! And, it's built to withstand the rigors of the marine environment.

I've got several years of experience now using, installing, selling the KISS radial ground system on many motor and sailboats. They all worked just fine.

As I've said repeatedly, this is definitely NOT the best possible RF ground system. However, for most folks it's a perfectly adequate one, and there's not doubt that it's by far the easiest to install.

The earlier comment about "no financial interest" is a joke. Yes, I'm a dealer for the KISS, but it's certainly not a profit center for me. It's the ONLY product for which I am a dealer, and I carry it mostly for the convenience of my customers.

What about all the naysayers and "tests" which purport to show the KISS "isn't resonant" or "isn't any better than a length of wire 14' long"? I'm not saying you should discount these reports completely, but what I am saying is that our understanding of RF grounding systems in use on a boat with random-length end-fed antennas (usually the insulated backstay or a whip) is definitely not complete.

About the only thing we CAN say with some confidence is:

1. It's definitely not the best possible RF ground system; and

2. It definitely works pretty well for the many hundreds of marine installations we know of, both in terms of ease of installation, tuning and in radiated power.

Every day I talk to and listen to boats which I know have these systems on both the ham bands and the marine bands; most all of them seem to have signals comparable to other boats using more traditional RF grounding systems.

FWIW,

Bill
WA6CCA
12-11-2013 08:01 PM
SimonV
Re: KISS-SSB grounding package review?

I have had the KISS SSB on my M802 for near on a year. It was simple to install and works great.
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