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11-03-2008 04:46 PM
N0NJY I know this is an old thread, but I asked a question and was pointed here by Cam.

I visited Jamaica four times in the last three years. Stayed in St. Annes, place called Runaway Bay. Spent some time in Ocho Rios and visited a lot of places around the area.

I did not observe crime - other than every third person attempting to sell me ANYTHING they happened to have on them, including various forms of drugs. Usually if I said, "Not interested" or "I don't use that stuff, don't need it" they left me alone.

One persistent fellow - nice enough guy, followed us around for about ten minutes asking if we wanted to ride in his taxi. He was making my wife nervous so I stopped and faced him and said, "We don't require your taxi services today, I know my way around and we're trying to get someplace within walking distance. Do you need anything else?"

He stopped and responded, "No, do you want to buy some drugs?"

I laughed and said, "Taxi to drugs... do you sell other things?"

"Wrist watches...."

So I responded... "The people for whom I work at home would likely frown on Federal Agents buying drugs or counterfeit watches"...

He scurried off.

(No, I didn't say I was a Federal Agent, I simply said that the people at home that I worked for would frown on Agents doing those things... and they would )

Anyway, over the past few years I've only seen the touristy areas so I can't speak about the south side of the island. Then again, seeing the rampant poverty in some of the areas through which I passed, I can only surmise that these things would all be true.

So - as much as we like the area - I think we will avoid going back there, as cruisers.
08-23-2007 11:34 AM
ReverendMike
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May the farce be with you Rev...Obi-Cam-Kan-Edit
IJSM from ROFLMAO
08-23-2007 11:08 AM
camaraderie May the farce be with you Rev...Obi-Cam-Kan-Edit
08-23-2007 11:06 AM
xort I live near Detroit & drive through it regularly!!! Miles and miles of boarded up houses. Corruption & gangs. Murder, robbery & assult. No big deal.
08-23-2007 10:45 AM
ReverendMike Cam - Just kidding, he 'threatened', so I just had to respond. I'm starting to worry about going over to the DARK SIDE. Once that 'edited' nut is busted, it's just a slippery slope.... (no photoshop skills, just bad "Star Wars" references. "Help me Obi-Cam, you're my only hope.")

Waymar - Good points, Bermuda is a smaller island than some, with darn little space for any industry not essential to living. They used to have significant agriculture, but the land is too valuable to not put hotels on it. The larger islands do have space for mines, factories, etc. for now.... But probably still hard to have 'enough' professional jobs to avoid 'brain drain'.
08-22-2007 08:41 PM
Waymar83 Well.....to add another 2 cents (canadian - now only slightly less that US )....

I work on a daily basis with alot of folks from the Caribbean: Diplomats, academics, engineers, media, bureacrats, business folks, development people, other professionals. In the larger islands (+ Guyana), the business sector is surprisingly diversified: Jamaica, Barbados, Trinidad and Tobago. Extensive banking and insurance, manufacturing of all sorts, agricultural production and processing, call centres.... Canadians are not the most agressive of foreign investors but I was surprised to learn that the Caribbean has over $550 Billion in FDI from Canada alone... My guess is that most of it is not in tourism as that is not really an investment focus of Canadian businesses...

What tourists tend to see are the goods and services related to their immediate interest, i.e. "the tourist thing".

Rev, you are right about the areas within the "tourist centres". I saw that in Jamaica near Ocho Rios. The locals are totally fixated on tourists and responding (and living off of) tourist needs. But on the drive from Montego Bay you drive by a bauxite mine. That needs miners, engineers, mechanics, accountants, pay clerks, dock hands, etc.. I'm sure they could not care less about which cruise ship has docked...

There is a whole "Island life" that goes on that is not centered around the beach or other tourist "magnets". I have many Jamaican friends working here in Guyana. They are professionals and often go back home for holidays, etc. In most cases they have kept their houses there as well. (I,ve no clue if they've tried investing back home though)

There are the usual focal points: certain Parishes in Jamaica are totally controlled by gangs. You can't even go in....The recurrent kidnappings of business people in Trinidad is apparently masterminded by members within the police force. Both countries have regular shoutouts between rival gangs etc...

Is there a security issue? Yeah there is. Is there organised crime that tries to extort money in certain industries? Absolutely. True for other countries as well.... Try opening a bar in Montreal and tell me who comes around to "visit" the first few weeks .....
08-22-2007 06:29 PM
camaraderie Thanks Rev...gas 'll do that to ya! (G) BTW...no need to get even with the Hawg...did that all by myself so you can photoshop me instead!
08-22-2007 05:06 PM
ReverendMike SH
You did turn me in! You pig! I've now been edited twice this month, am I about to turn into the next CapeCodWeirdo or what? I can feel it, a powerful change deep within ..... no, wait, that was just gas. Sorry everyone for the profanity.
M

(Cam - you missed one, I'll get it)
08-22-2007 11:48 AM
sailhog Tyrone,
That's incredible... I didn't realize the problem was that severe and extensive.

Mike,
The Sailnet police are coming for you. Expressions of surliness are against the forum's bylaws. I'll PM you with the name of a good lawyer.
08-22-2007 11:18 AM
ReverendMike Re: Island life/Brain drain

If you're not working in the tourism industry, you're working in menial labor. There generally aren't jobs for educated people on the Islands. There's little or no industry, few or no universities, and damn little to do except kiss the tourists' behinds. I grew up (2-8 yo) on Bermuda, and it was great (for a kid); but even if I had the option of citizenship (I don't) I wouldn't take it. Seen enough of it to know that a *** job in paradise is still a *** job.

just my 2˘
Mike

(feeling surly, please forgive)
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