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08-24-2007 10:03 AM
jadkkd
tiller vs wheel

I was on a demo sail for a few hours on the J100. When sailing the boat and sitting on the coaming there wasn't anyplace to put your feet for leverage. I see this as a bit of a design flaw. Sure you could sit in the cockpit but the line of sight is so much better from the coaming. The boat did have lifelines but having your feet resting on top of the cockpit seat didn't give you any leverage, after a while my back was sore.
08-22-2007 10:55 PM
jerryrlitton
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Originally Posted by SimonV View Post
We have all probably done it, but when you try to streer a compass course looking down at the compass facing the stern and using the wheel in reverse. Now that messes with your mind.
I will tell you what works for me. Just remember you (your boat) is actually turning around the compass card. Also when you turn to the right the numbers get bigger. Works well in aircraft anyway....

Jerry
08-22-2007 12:08 PM
chuckg This debate can go beyond simply steering the boat however. If a person wants to mount one of the current offerings of Marine Electronics such as chartplotter/radar, etc. at the helm, a tiller steered boat is somewhat limited as to where you can mount such an item. Having electronics at the Nav station doesn't help much when you are sailing shorthanded in fog. The steering pedestal in wheel steering can also be a good place to mount engine controls, drink holders, VHF and other items that seem to get used in the cockpit but rarely have places to put them.
08-17-2007 11:29 AM
labatt
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Originally Posted by sailortjk1 View Post
I simply used a piece of White Electrical tape to show dead ahead... The white tape doesn't look too bad on the black leather wheel... I do want to replace the tape with a turk's head.
I've got a Turk's head above my king spoke, but my wheel does 1 1/2 revolutions until it's hard over. I can't tell if it's centered or over by just glancing at it. I liked the tiller on my old boat for the instant feedback I could get on rudder position - especially in a potential panic situation like entering or leaving a slip under high winds or currents. Unfortunately, my autopilot (wheel pilot) is older and doesn't show rudder position. I looked at adding it, but couldn't justify the expense since I'll only have this boat for another year before trading up.
08-17-2007 01:31 AM
uspirate
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Originally Posted by Valiente View Post
Almost all ships were steered with tiller or whipstaff until the 1720s, including some very large warships. Many of the Open 60s are steered by four metre tillers as well. Leverage: you can't beat it.
hence the term "Tillerman"
08-17-2007 01:21 AM
Valiente Almost all ships were steered with tiller or whipstaff until the 1720s, including some very large warships. Many of the Open 60s are steered by four metre tillers as well. Leverage: you can't beat it.
08-16-2007 03:37 PM
sailingdog IMHO, the size of the boat isn't so important to whether a tiller can be used as the design is. A properly designed boat, that is well-shaped and balanced can generally be steered with a tiller.
08-16-2007 02:36 PM
Valiente The funny thing is that Giulietta is one of the few 40 footers I can think of that could be run with a long tiller. I enjoyed the "big wheels", but it's a light-enough boat to have a tiller without getting overwhelmed by the rudder pressure.

The cockpit and mainsheet as designed, however, are strictly wheel-friendly.

Here's another big tiller boat, an Open 60 doing a rollover test:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIplsOf_DBQ

I saw this boat last week at a local club. It is phenomenally large (about a 20 foot beam at the stern) and the thought of one man helming it in the Southern Ocean is among the most impressive things I can imagine.
08-16-2007 02:28 AM
uspirate
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Originally Posted by Trekka View Post
I also wish I could change the way the wheel works. I'd like to spin the wheel in the direction I want the stern to move, the same way a tiller works. After two and a half decades, that's the way my brain thinks. I can consciously override that. But when I am tired, I slip back.
I think Giu started a thread on this, we had alot of fun with it

edit: found it if interested
08-16-2007 02:09 AM
Trekka I had a boat with a tiller for over 20 years. Now I have a CSY33 with a wheel. I wish it had a tiller! I miss the feel of the tiller, the pressure of the water against the rudder. But I also miss being able to slide up under the dodger while steering. With a long tiller, and reaching slightly back, I was well protected from sun, spray, rain. But with the wheel, I am stuck at the very back of the cockpit exposed to everything. I can have a dodger made with a long bimini addition perhaps. But it will not be as neat, nor as effective.

I also wish I could change the way the wheel works. I'd like to spin the wheel in the direction I want the stern to move, the same way a tiller works. After two and a half decades, that's the way my brain thinks. I can consciously override that. But when I am tired, I slip back.
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