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08-27-2007 10:55 PM
tenuki just switched out my wire-rope for all rope when I got my standing rigging replace. had the rigger look at the sheeves to make sure they were ok for rope first.

I hate wire-rope halyards cause they tend to develop meat hooks at the nicopress. besides, you can't cut and tie on if your shackle breaks or jams open. I also hate the sound of wire slapping on a mast.
08-27-2007 10:20 PM
Gary M Thanks Jeff H I know you can put a sleeve on the line, just not sure how to go about it. I will investigate further, this is a winter project since I need to replace the sheeves.
A couple more problems with wire halyards is that they tebd to get little wire hooks that are hard on the hands and also when you are boosting a halyard at the mast you run out of rope and get a few feet of wire.

You can purchase wire to rpe halyards already made up to standard lenghts that are not that expensive. I bought two last year for jib halyards until I can get to the all rope lines.

Gary
08-27-2007 09:17 PM
sailingdog Of course, you could make the wire section longer, but then you run the risk of damaging the mast exit slots for the rope. Slatting halyards are very annoying.

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Originally Posted by AboardIndigo View Post
Furthermore (and this may be my own specific problem), wire to rope halyards get stopped at the sheaves once the rope hits them (because the rope won't fit through the sheave designed for wire).

This is an inconvenience when it comes to finding a spot to secure my halyard shackles after dousing a sail.
08-27-2007 09:04 PM
AboardIndigo Furthermore (and this may be my own specific problem), wire to rope halyards get stopped at the sheaves once the rope hits them (because the rope won't fit through the sheave designed for wire).

This is an inconvenience when it comes to finding a spot to secure my halyard shackles after dousing a sail.
08-27-2007 08:19 PM
canadianseamonkey SD - thanks for the explanation. Now you're making me re-think my spring project and its materials.
08-27-2007 05:46 PM
sailingdog CSM-

Wire-to-rope halyards actually are a bit more expensive, since you need to pay for the wire-to-rope splice and the swaging of the terminal end or eye in the end of the wire section. Also, you can't end-to-end a wire-to-rope halyard to help preserve and extend its useful lifespan. Finally, with modern ropes, it is more weight aloft than necessary today. Also, if you're a long-term cruiser, it is often easier to carry spare line, than to carry wire-to-rope halyards... in case one breaks.
08-27-2007 05:12 PM
canadianseamonkey Here's my questions. Why wouldn't you just replace with wire to rope? It's not any more expensive and seems to be alot less hassle. I don't know of any issues with wire to rope as they have been proven through time. Are there any issues????
08-27-2007 03:45 PM
RumorHazit26 I am blown away by this forum and the detailed responses I received from all of you. Thanks so very much! This is a fabulous web site and I will be returning daily to listen in as well as post other questions regarding my boat.

Thanks again for your help!

RumorHazit26
08-27-2007 02:51 PM
sailingdog Don't forget to through-stitch the sacrificial cover to the inner rope, to help keep the cover in place and prevent the inner rope from creeping out through the clutch.

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Originally Posted by Jeff_H View Post
"Finally your halyard clutches must be able to take the new line size. My halyard tails are currently 1/2" and 7/16 ". I will be going to 5/16" and 3/8" line for my 30 footer. So you guessed it new halyard clutches are also required. Hopefully you will not need all of this but your do need to check."

Gary,

I may be too late on this but I generally have an extra layer of sacrificial cover placed over the cover on smaller diameter high tech halyards where they pass through sheeves and stoppers. This does two things; since it is the covers that typically wear out on high tech line, it extends the life of the line and second it improves the grip of the stopper, or in your case would keep you from going to a new stopper.

The trick is to buy cheap dacron line and strip the cover. I have not done this myself but I understand that the trick is to make a 2 foot or so long circular fid out of light gage electrical conduit. The cover from the sacrificial line is stripped onto the fid and then slip off onto the high tech line where you need it. The ends of the sacrifical cover are tucked through the cover of the high tech line at each end and then stitched into place.

One other point, since you can generally use smaller diameter line with high tech stuff, the price often ends up being close to stretchier low tech stiff.
08-27-2007 02:41 PM
Jeff_H "Finally your halyard clutches must be able to take the new line size. My halyard tails are currently 1/2" and 7/16 ". I will be going to 5/16" and 3/8" line for my 30 footer. So you guessed it new halyard clutches are also required. Hopefully you will not need all of this but your do need to check."

Gary,

I may be too late on this but I generally have an extra layer of sacrificial cover placed over the cover on smaller diameter high tech halyards where they pass through sheeves and stoppers. This does two things; since it is the covers that typically wear out on high tech line, it extends the life of the line and second it improves the grip of the stopper, or in your case would keep you from going to a new stopper.

The trick is to buy cheap dacron line and strip the cover. I have not done this myself but I understand that the trick is to make a 2 foot or so long circular fid out of light gage electrical conduit. The cover from the sacrificial line is stripped onto the fid and then slip off onto the high tech line where you need it. The ends of the sacrifical cover are tucked through the cover of the high tech line at each end and then stitched into place.

One other point, since you can generally use smaller diameter line with high tech stuff, the price often ends up being close to stretchier low tech stiff.
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