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09-06-2007 11:42 AM
blt2ski Dan was at the roundesvous. I seem to recall them having a son about 8'ish, that was catching shrimp off the fuel dock with a couple of other boys the same age.

Looking at my list, their was 3 SO35's there, including one shoal draft that slipped by a new 36i during the race.....oooops.......parade of boats.

Personally, I would see if the Kenmore boat is negotiable to a price that is reasonable to you. The sunfast version with a 7'draft when racing against SF37's, which there is one at MSC, will beat it handicap day in and out, and many time beat it boat for boat. Where this issue comes about is the all of less than 2" WL difference, vs the 2' of boat length. I personally prefer the SF version, due ot the cockpit mounted traveler, slightly taller rig with more sail area. Altho you do lose the table in the cockpit. If I were to trade in my 85 30' Jeanneau, it would be on an SF35 or the new SF3200.

Some other things to think about, the shoal draft is typically 10-15 secs a mile slower than a std draft. The furling main will also lose 10 or so secs. Not sure if either boat has a folding prop, but that is also an ~10 sec difference with the folder being faster. The OE on my boat put on a max prop in 02, and said he gained .5-1+ knots on most points of sail. So if sailing from point A to B is a thing you want to do, the local boat would be better. Especially when you consider the wind is typically 5-10 knots in the summer months. If sailing non stop to Poets cove, that is pretty close to 1 hr difference, about 9-10 vs 10-11 hrs one way if the east coast boat had all the slow boat items, vs teh local having all the faster option items.

If you go to the MSC website, they have pics from last summers roundesvous, along with previous yrs. My wife and I want to go up there again next yr, as we finished in front of a 37 and DS42, should have finished last! With new sails we hope to order next spring winter, we should be a bit more competitive, or will hop onto another Arcadia with that owner if he is there, and show the big boats what a little boat that has been rated #1 out of vancouver, and i thetop 5 the last 5 or 7 yrs can sail like. His is decked out for racing. My rig was cruised the 20 yrs the OE owned it. I've been doing some racing with reasonable success so far. You might also go to www.jeanneau-owners.com for info on Jeanneaus too.

Marty
09-06-2007 01:38 AM
sab30 blt2ski..I would love to hear more. Do I understand that the Jeanneau owners have a retreat at Poets cove? Dan and Tara (the marine mgr) are good friends of our and if this deal works out we would love to coordinate with others.
09-05-2007 11:05 PM
blt2ski Are you looking at the 03 MCS has in Kenmore? They have a tendincy to ask a high price, not sure how well they are about negotiating tho. That one has lazy jacks, which make reefing/furling the main pretty easy. A 6' draft will not bother you around here. I was less than a 1/4 mile off the shore of Edmonds where I sail out of, and was in 350' of water!

Pics make that boat look pretty nice overall, but as you say, it may be on the higher end of things. See if you can negotiate a $$ amount that makes that rig a bit more doable, and possibly get the moorage with it. The north end of LW is nice for learning to sail, the waves do not get that big up there with higher winds out of the south, unlike off of Kirkland where I grew up, they can hit 3' at time.

IIRC, there were 3 or 4 SO35's at the jeannuea owners roundesvous at Poets cove last summer too. There is quite a few of them around the sound. The roundezvous is the oldest running Jeanneau one in US, the third weekend in June for 7 or 8 yrs running. I went to my first one this yr.

Marty
09-05-2007 04:16 PM
camaraderie Get the newer boat with the in-mast furler. You ain't racing her or going bluewater and YOU like furling in mast which is a convenience in shore and poses little risk. The newer boat will save you $$ and hold resale better too.
09-05-2007 02:40 PM
sailingdog Sab30

I think the SO35 would make a decent coastal cruiser and liveaboard for the next few years. Get the older boat, and learn proper sail trim... and how to reef a mainsail using slab reefing... Slab reefing generally gives you far better sail shape than any in-mast reefing system ever will. The baggier shape of the in-mast reefed sail makes it more dangerous IMHO, since it is going to be powered up when you're trying to de-power the boat.

Look forward to hearing how it works out for you.


John-

Thanks for clarifying for me... I can be a little blunter than I probably should be...
09-05-2007 02:20 PM
sab30 Again all good information..yes John I plan on moving up to a Bluewater boat but I would like to take a couple years first on the coastal cruising. No apology required. I will also be living on it part time..learning everything I can about sailing and living aboard. I grew up dingy sailing for many years and have done several charters on mostly 36' including the Keys and the Gulf Islands BC. I would like to learn on this size as I would look at a bluewater boat being at least 40' (mostly for space to accomodate the wife -- part of the negotiation)
09-05-2007 02:10 PM
Jeff_H I have to agree with the prevailing opinions. If you are sailing in the Northwest then the idea of buying a shoal draft version, espeically with in-mast furling makes no sense at all, espeicially if you are a new sailor without the skills to get some decent shape out of an in-mast furled mainsail. Negotiate agressively and buy the older boat, learn to sail really well (which frankly this is a little bit too big for that purpose) and once you have enough experience buy something that is a bit more robust and designed for the rigours of offshore work.

Jeff
09-05-2007 01:57 PM
JohnRPollard Sab30,

What SD is saying is that referring to a standard draft keel design on your boat as a "full keel" leads to misunderstandings because strictly speaking that term refers to a hull design where the keel begins just below the waterline at the bow and extends all the way aft to the rudder. Think "traditional" hull shape. Your Sun Odyssey, no matter whether configured with a shoal or deep draft keel, is not properly called a "full-keeled" boat. But what's some inexact terminolgy between friends? I knew what you meant.

My bigger concern is your statement that this Jeaneau will eventually be your "bluewater boat". Yikes. I'm sorry, but In my opinion there is no modification that you could ever make that would turn this boat into a bluewater boat. They were never intended for that purpose. I'm not saying you or someone else couldn't make or hasn't made a successful passage in one, but to do so is taking a far greater risk than you may realize.

It would no doubt make a great coastal cruiser, and you could gain great experience in this boat. But keep an open mind about the possibility of upgrading to a sturdier boat before crossing any oceans.

Edit: P.S. Perhaps you meant that you would then get a blue water boat after gaining experience in this one. If so, apologies, and that sounds like a good plan.
09-05-2007 01:39 PM
sailingdog If that's the case... then it may make a difference, as with some boat models, the shoal draft versions were pigs compared to the deep draft versions. But that's kind of why I'd like to know what the two boats are... are they two boats of the same make and model with the keel being the primary difference or are they two totally different boats? Is the full keel here a full-keel, or a deep draft keel... It would be far less confusing if people used the correct terms for things...

So both boats are Jeanneau Sun Oddysey 35's... with one having a shoal draft keel and the other a standard keel.

The 2003 SO35 is older with a standard keel and no in-mast furling.

The 2006 SO35 has the shorter shoal keel, which is not a wing keel IIRC, but has the in-mast furling.

Personally, I don't like in-mast furling, so I'd go with the 2003 boat... since draft is generally not an issue in the PNW... unlike the Chesapeake, ICW, and parts of the Caribbean.

How are the boats fitted out, other than the in-mast furling—are they pretty comparable?? Chartplotter, radar, dinghy, engine size & condition, etc...
09-05-2007 01:39 PM
sab30 Sorry SD..I should clarify.

The newer boat is not a better price but a better value due to seller motivation, The nwer boat also has in mast furling etc which I am looking for but lists as a shoal draft. The older boat is has an asking price that doesnt provide as much value or the options I want but it is a freshwater boat and lists as a full keel.

They are both 35' Jeanneau SO 2006 in NY and 2003 in Washington. I have caluculated in all the additional costs for shipping.
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