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4 Weeks Ago 11:36 PM
masterofnone
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

Ive lived the last 30 years of my life planning for the next cruise. During the cruise at hand Im thinking up destinations for my next one. I have friends who own the same make of boat. Its been sitting in the same place for 10 years and theyre always just about ready to leave. I think fear plays a big part of it. The ocean is a lot more scary when your thinking about it onshore than it is when your out there..
4 Weeks Ago 09:05 PM
JimMcGee
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

Quote:
Originally Posted by JonEisberg View Post
This is from LATITUDE 38's "Letters" section, way back in 2001:

To the contrary, we think there are any number of ways that a 'use it or lose it' system could be implemented without the need for a complicated bureaucracy. Say the berth fee is currently $8/foot/month. Raise the berth fee to $24/foot/month, but allow credits for use. If a boat goes out 12 times a year, the fee drops to $16/foot/month. If the boat goes out 24 times a year, the fee drops to the original $8/foot/month. Monitoring is simple. Boatowners check out on a computer.
What a horrible fascist idea! Talk about Big Brother. And what a great way to discourage ANYONE from owning a boat.

This summer I had to work 7 days a week, on average 10-12 hours a day. Sh!t happens when you work for yourself.

So because I got jammed up with work I should have to pay TRIPLE for my slip?!?!?

WTF?


What if I or a family member had gotten seriously ill? Should that personal tragedy be rewarded by tripling my slip fee.

Whatever dumb ass editor wrote that reply should be shown out of the office and lose his/her job.

The stupidity is staggering! It simply beggars belief!
4 Weeks Ago 08:53 PM
JimMcGee
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

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Originally Posted by GeorgeB View Post
...So Santa Cruz has done two things: 1) You have to actually use your boat in order to stay in the marina. Every boat must leave their slip at least once every six months, even if it means motoring over to the Harbor Master’s office so they can record the movement. No more “storing” your boat in the marina because it is cheaper than dry storage. And, 2) Sub-letting is now regulated. You may still retain your “rights” to an empty slip but the Harbor Office regulates the rate. Sub-leases are only good for six months. I think something like a quarter of the marina are forced to sub rent and must do the “marina shuffle” every six months.
George, This seems reasonable; more focused on the prevention of derelicts than on how someone uses their boat.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JonEisberg View Post
Things are complicated further, when the issue of slip transfers with the sale of a boat comes to the fore... Is it fair that a slipholder who decides to sell his boat can profit very handsomely - the value of a boat being increased by tens of thousands of dollars if the slip is part of the sale?
The only time this would make sense would be in a "condo marina" where the slipholder "owns" the slip and the marina is maintained by a marina/condo association. This should NEVER be the case in a state run marina. I can't understand why "subletting" is permitted either. It seems that cleaning up these practices would significantly shorten waiting lists.

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Originally Posted by GeorgeB View Post
the interesting thing is there are slips available at the higher priced private marinas whereas long wait lines in the public marinas... It was run down, but man - the rates were a real sweetheart deal.
It sounds like the crux of the problem on SF Bay is poorly run state marinas that attract long term squatters. Why should slips at state marinas be so much cheaper? As George said once rates were adjusted to something near market rates the squatters fled.

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Originally Posted by JonEisberg View Post
If there were no restriction whatsoever on liveaboards, seems to me the marinas would eventually become the province of those looking primarily for comparatively affordable housing who are 'squatting' on public resources, in houseboats...
All the marinas I've been in limit the number of full time liveaboards. Isn't it the same on the West Coast
4 Weeks Ago 08:35 PM
JimMcGee
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

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Originally Posted by tenoch View Post
if a boats owner leases a slip, pays the moorage, pays any "liveaboard" fee required, and pays the mobile-pumpout guy to come pump out his boat, can he stay? The whole thing smacks of 'we need to get rid of those people who are not like us....because they have land that we want'.
+1
4 Weeks Ago 11:01 AM
mbianka
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

There is an older fellow in his late 70's near me who spent twenty years building his boat and has had it in the water for about seven years. Went for a sail only one time this year and he always needs crew to do it. Spends most of his time just puttering around working on it. But, seems to enjoy that. Sad thing is that no one is ever going to take care of that boat like he does and I think he has only sailed it maybe ten to fifteen times tops in seven years.
4 Weeks Ago 03:37 AM
shadowraiths
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

I'm one of those liveaboards who never leaves my slip. That is, my boat-a-minium doesn't. Otoh, I do get to sail regularly when I'm not out running around in my dink, or working on various boat projects around the marina.

As for boats whose owners appear to have forgotten them?

Life happens.

For example, my neighbor's wife came down with cancer, so his once well-loved boat has sadly become a derelict, and the mainsail is now bird nesting material. Another neighbor had triple bypass surgery and hasn't been able to make it to his boat in a couple of years. Prior to his heart attack, he had considered moving aboard. And yet, another's wife has multiple sclerosis, and as such is unable to join him at the marina. They used to cruise up and down the California coast. Now, he just comes out to do brightwork. Yet another's husband has acute alzheimer's. So, she makes it out once a month or so to also do bright work. When she's here, I try to help keep an eye on him, as he tends to wander, and there is some concern that he could fall in the drink.

Otherwise put? It's easy to judge when one doesn't know the backstory.
11-21-2014 01:14 PM
miatapaul
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

I don't have any issue at all with liveaboards who never go out. Sure I think they are missing out, but at least they are enjoying there boat and the water. What bugs me are all the boats (vast majority it seems) that never come back to the boat after they put it into the slip. Here we are mostly seasonal, and these guys pay to have the boat pulled, put into storage, then put into the slip (often by yard people) and never come down to them. Some of them very nice boats just sitting there never to be used. That seems like such a waste of money, and even more egregious, is the waste of nice boat.

Sure it is none of my business and sometimes there are issues that keep people away, but I am sure some of these boats have not been visited by the owners except on hull out day, or launch day for years. Some of them have not been visited for years, having others hull and launch. Just a shame. And I am not even talking about the derelict boats, but nice expensive boats. Most of the marinas around me have slips available, except of course the closest one to my kids, so it is not like it prevents other people from using the facilities.
11-21-2014 12:36 PM
travlineasy
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

Interestingly, we have a similar situation in the upper reaches of Chesapeake Bay where state and local municipal marinas also have a waiting list, often as long as 5 years or more. Same reason as CA - low prices and easy, year round access. However, most of the marinas here that are state and municipal are in shallow water areas, not conducive to sailboats drawing 5 feet or more. At low tide, a lot of the sailboats are sitting on the bottom, and the tidal range is just 2 to 3 feet at most.

Cheers,

Gary
11-21-2014 11:47 AM
WGEwald
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

Quote:
And, that is what makes the situation in places like California so complex, in that so many of the marinas are municipal yacht harbors, using public lands "held in trust" by the municipality, county, or whatever...
That point makes me change my position somewhat. Hadn't looked at it that way.
11-20-2014 09:52 PM
christian.hess
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

I was in half moon cheap and then monterrey exhorbitant to say the least

found great deals the best really at moss landing plus gravelles is still there

makes the bay look like cote azur expensive

you just have to search however I agree and fell victim to the prices and non liveabord issues the bay has

its really all complex, badly run, corrupt and extremely inefficient.
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