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Topic Review (Newest First)
09-29-2007 07:04 AM
Tartan34C The numbers in this spreadsheet just describe the container that is the boat. How capable the boat is must be determined by a lot of factors that donít lend themselves to this type of analyses. The presentation of the data is interesting and useful as a guide to what is considered normal for a given size boat but thats all it's good for. The devil is in the details and this will not predict your success with any given boat on any given trip.
All the best,
Robert Gainer
09-29-2007 06:33 AM
Sapperwhite I haven't been able to open the spreadsheet yet (surf control at work caught it) but I'll check it out later at home. I've always like Carl's Calc. http://www.image-ination.com/sailcalc.html , I think it may be a similar type of referense tool.
09-28-2007 11:13 PM
camaraderie C'Hand...This has been used here before. As I recall Jeff_H took a look at it and trashed it pretty well as a meaningful tool. I couldn't figure it out so I can't comment beyond saying that it doesn't seem to me to be a very meaningful way of deciding on a boat....but I guess some people do rely on the numbers.
09-28-2007 07:22 PM
JomsViking
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Originally Posted by CapnHand View Post
Why would anyone consider the opinion of a person who hasn't taken the time to look at the information?
He hasn't done that. That would be a waste of time (like your post was). He's used designs from "Carl Alberg, John Alden, Bill Crealock, Ted Brewer, Lyle Hess, Ted Hood, Al Mason, Chuck Paine, Robert Perry, and several Europeans" to try to get a meaningful model, not a useless one.
You're right - I should have lied
What I meant was that I did not have the time to verify all the data in there. I did not intend to bash the hard work that obviously has gone into it creating it, but I still think that my comments are valid - There's still a lot to learn!
Sorry for not being clear (English is NOT my native tongue).
09-28-2007 07:15 PM
cardiacpaul the only thing I found missing in this whole scenario?

The skill and experience of the nut behind the wheel.
09-28-2007 07:11 PM
CapnHand
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Originally Posted by JomsViking View Post
Haven't looked at the spreadsheet - yet - but I doubt it.
Why would anyone consider the opinion of a person who hasn't taken the time to look at the information?
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Originally Posted by JomsViking View Post
I could probably (maybe) create a similar spreadsheet with a list of totally unsuitable boats that has made successfull ocean crossings and hence the output will evaluate the MacGregor as the perfect Blue Water boat.
He hasn't done that. That would be a waste of time (like your post was). He's used designs from "Carl Alberg, John Alden, Bill Crealock, Ted Brewer, Lyle Hess, Ted Hood, Al Mason, Chuck Paine, Robert Perry, and several Europeans" to try to get a meaningful model, not a useless one.
09-28-2007 07:04 PM
JomsViking
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Originally Posted by jr438234606 View Post
Spreadsheets don't make friendly user interfaces for database mining.
Totally agree! My point however was re. the quality of data and the knowledge (or lack hereof) that we have about desirable boat characteristics.
09-28-2007 06:55 PM
RickLaPaz
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Originally Posted by TSteele65 View Post
Bastage. I know I can buy an unsurveyed McGregor 26X in Mexico and sail it in the TransPac with no problem, and anyone who says differently is just trying to crush my dreams.

Mr. Mighetto? Is that you?..............
09-28-2007 06:55 PM
jr438234606 Spreadsheets don't make friendly user interfaces for database mining.
09-28-2007 06:45 PM
JomsViking
Does it work?

Haven't looked at the spreadsheet - yet - but I doubt it. I could probably (maybe) create a similar spreadsheet with a list of totally unsuitable boats that has made successfull ocean crossings and hence the output will evaluate the MacGregor as the perfect Blue Water boat. There's so many variables involved, that it is next to impossible to collect enough data to be statistically significant. We still struggle with understanding exactly how boats react - Velocity Prediction Programs using sophisticated algorithms, and running on extremely powerful hardware still do not provide the EXACT number for a particular design. So there's still a lot to learn. I believe that is true for desirable characteristics for a bluewater boat too. However I also strongly believe in listening to advice from people such as Hal Roth and other "old salts"? (Including all the grumpy people here on sailnet )
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