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25 Minutes Ago 07:26 PM
captain jack
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

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Originally Posted by 34crealock View Post
A cruising friend of mine who has 10 s of thousands of miles just packed it in this year. There is no shame in not going and none in giving up the cruising life. You will know when you want to go and maybe that is not now or ever.
funny about that. i am a biker as well as a sailor. well....at least i have been. i have ridden all of my life. all year long and in all kinds of weather. so many miles. now, i am in a full time sailboat mode. it's all i think of. it's all i want to do. a big part of me feels like i have betrayed something because, right now, i don't really care if i ride and i don't look to the future with any concern for motorcycles. i am sure that will change, in it's time. it's a cyclical thing. but, i can see what you are saying.
31 Minutes Ago 07:20 PM
captain jack
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

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Originally Posted by SVAuspicious View Post
I live aboard. Although I haven't been sailing much on my boat this summer (weekends have been full racing OPB and I work during the week), I keep everything ready for sailing. I maintain a "15 minute rule:" it shouldn't take more than 15 minutes from decision to leaving the dock. At the moment it's probably 25 minutes due to sun awnings ... have to do something about that.
i think that's the problem with some people. the harder it is to get your boat ready to sail, the less likely you are to sail it. i can attest to that from small boat sailing.

my 10 foot dinghy is always in the back of my truck (unless the bay is frozen over). it takes me 15 minutes to set up and another 15 to tear down and pack it back up. i sail it everytime i have two or more hours free.

i have rn into guys that had driven to the water just to look at it. they'd see me on my little boat and say," that's what i need to get!" they have bigger boats that they have to tow to the water, which is more bother than 'car topping'. their boats are harder to set up...often it takes the help of another person to set up. if you have to depend on other people to help you sail, it can keep you from sailing.

even for me, before i bought the cal 27 that i am refitting, i had my dinghy and a holiday 20. the 20 has to be towed. i need help stepping the mast because i can't hold it up and hook up the jib stay at the same time. i don't need help sailing it. but, it's not easy finding someone to go with you to the water to hook up your jib stay unless they are going sailing with you.

i love the holiday. great boat. i love the dinghy. also a great boat. the holiday is far more comfortable to sail. this is especially true as i get older. i have injured both knees, at different times, at work. they don't like being cramped up as i sit on the cockpit sole for 8 hours, or so, as i sail my dinghy as far as i can get, and back, before sundown. even so, which boat do you think i have sailed the most over the last 18 years?

the dinghy, of course.

that was one of the many reasons i bought the cal, when i saw it for sale at a dirt cheap price. it wll be on the water, mast stepped, sails on the spars, ready to go at all times. just cast off and away you go.

that's also why i am setting it up to be as easy to solo sail as i can.

i think that one reason people buy boats they never sail (live aboard or otherwise) is because they buy boats that are too hard (or too big) for them to sail without help (and they don't have crew that is all that dedicated or as available) or too complex to just cast off and go. i know the racing crowd loves to add more complexity , and that's just fine for them, but, for anyone who just wants to go sailing, simplicity is best....in my opinion.

i also know a big boat can be nice and comfortable but a smaller, more manageable boat is more likely to get sailed.
38 Minutes Ago 07:13 PM
34crealock
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

A cruising friend of mine who has 10 s of thousands of miles just packed it in this year. There is no shame in not going and none in giving up the cruising life. You will know when you want to go and maybe that is not now or ever.
1 Hour Ago 06:42 PM
captain jack
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

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Originally Posted by Raggbagger View Post
Hi Lancer, I noticed that myself. Then it happened to a buddy of mine . He bought a Catalina 27ft er in Baltimore MD and cruised it down the ICW to Palm Beach along the way he collected a lifetimes worth of stories . Engine failure . Storms on the Chessapeke . Long waits for parts on Durfuskie Island with crazy locals adopting him . Hunkering down at Beaufort NC to let huricanes pass by. He had many many more tales to tell from his trip . Then something happened to him. He got to Florida got his wee boat a slip at Riveira Beach Marina and never sailed it ever again. He sold it some 4 or 5 months later . I dont know what the deal was , but his sailing days were over . I guess he just had all the adventure he could take and that was that. Sad really , I hope that never happens to me.
did you ask him why?
2 Weeks Ago 05:07 PM
Minnewaska
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

Transient are suspect creatures. Except when we are transients.

Truth is, stuff can and probably is stolen by transients in any slip, they don't have to be in yours.

Knock on wood, I've not lost anything in a long time. Dock lines are untied and my hose has been used frequently. As long as they aren't abused, I dont get too hung up over it.
2 Weeks Ago 02:59 PM
FarCry
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

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Originally Posted by miatapaul View Post
Well one would hope they don't call the Coast Guard saying that you are late for your stated return! They are often one of the first to notice when someone has not returned back when people said they would return.

Me for one would not care if they rented the slip out. Only exception is to make sure they leave any lines on the dock set up the way they were left, and I would expect a credit on my electric if it is metered.
You clearly don't know my marina and I sure wouldn't pretend to know yours. They would be one of the last to notice when someone has not returned! I have told them actual dates before and they don't write them down and seem confused when I have followed a schedule. That's why I gave up.

I stay at my marina solely because it is in the safest area on the Island in the event of a hurricane.
2 Weeks Ago 02:33 PM
FarCry
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

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Originally Posted by RegisterNow View Post
Just curious - why does it bother you that they should rent it out??? (as long as they make sure it's free when you come back)


I'm quite surprised that the "rent it out again" rule causes you guys such a feeling of injustice. It's a rule you agreed to, isn't it? Like the parking meter that you paid for another 15 minutes, but when you're gone, the next guy pulls it and he'll pay again from the 1st minute (so the town gets the same spot paid twice)... or the concert that will charge others to hear the same music for which you've already paid a ticket!! (Shame on those musicians! ) ... -
Funny, I'm much more annoyed with inconsiderate slip "owners" who couldn't be bothered to let their marinas know they won't be in tonight, so that marinas take long to find out if they have transient slips available and if so, where, ... and overall it making longer cruises unnecessarily uncertain in terms of where you can pass the night. How do those of you who don't like declaring their absences sail usually--do you pass the night in marinas (yourself a transient) or do you anchor out, sail through the night etc.?


Having said that, I come back to my point that you can do only so much if you try to force people (even if they have voluntarily signed a contract saying they'd comply with the rules of the place). Of course you can set up fees for slip "owners" who repeatedly misinform the marina about their whereabouts. (Yeah, I'd love to do that. Talking about how to increase marina income and thereby lower the fees for everyone. Seriously though, you'll have more success and fewer complaints if you (also) offer an incentive. Apparently, ltgoshen's marina already does it... and would just have to publicize it a bit more.


PS: Sorry to hear about that, Nolesailor. Yes, in "my" perfect world it'd be obviously the marina who should be ready to repair and reimburse if a transient messes with you equipment!! They can re-rent "your" slip as long as they want, but you shouldn't have the backlash.
(Not sure what you're after with your comment of never having signed out though--you can hardly blame the marina for not paying much attention to it anymore when they see you don't keep them informed anyways? Yeah, I'm afraid you'll hate me for saying it... Still I'd do the same as a marina manager: If people try to free-ride and can't be bothered to play by the sign-out rules, their slips would be the first I'd use if I needed extras... )
In order of your comments:
At a parking meter I haven't left my hose, dock lines made to length and my power cord. When transients come in, my items seem to disappear. Yes I could take them with me but for a couple of days it seems like a silly PIA. When I will be gone for weeks I do take most of those things along or place them in my dock box. More than a few times I've left the slip not knowing my destination or length of trip. I go where the wind makes it easy and return in the forecast deteriorates. I've left with the ability to be gone for weeks and returned in days from equipment failure or weather causes. Would I then be inconsiderate if I told the marina I planned to be gone for three weeks but then returned in 3 days?

I don't "pass the night in marinas" except for a few nights a year when I am involved in large regattas. For those events my reservations are made 12 months in advance. I typically anchor out.

Paying for a slip in advance is hardly a "free ride". Having others use the water I pay for, the electricity I pay for and stealing my belongings from the slip I rent is what bothers me and some of the others in my marina. Yes I agreed to allow the marina to rent out my slip if I'm gone. But I also expected they would record the meters and charge the transient and confirm that my things weren't taken while I was gone.
2 Weeks Ago 02:08 PM
miatapaul
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

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Originally Posted by FarCry View Post
It's the same way at some of the marinas down here too. A friend who thought it was BS bought a $100 dinghy and ran some old anchor rode to the four pilings around the perimeter of the slip and back to his dinghy to "discourage" the marina from attempting to sublet the slip while he was gone sailing for 8 weeks. It worked!

If the dockmaster sees me leaving my slip and asks when I'm coming back my standard answer is the next day. If it's Monday for example, I say I'm coming back on Tuesday, just not which Tuesday! Also plans are apt to change once one gets "out there".
Well one would hope they don't call the Coast Guard saying that you are late for your stated return! They are often one of the first to notice when someone has not returned back when people said they would return.

Me for one would not care if they rented the slip out. Only exception is to make sure they leave any lines on the dock set up the way they were left, and I would expect a credit on my electric if it is metered.
2 Weeks Ago 01:58 PM
Mark1948
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

In addition to Montagu, Dr. Don Ardell in "High Level Wellness" wrote on dying as young as you can as old as you can.
2 Weeks Ago 01:28 PM
Minnewaska
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

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Originally Posted by jzk View Post
Is this a government owned facility? If not, then "unfair" is such a grey term that it almost has no meaning. "Fair" is that you make a deal with your marina, and both of you uphold the terms of your deal.
Of course, it wasn't government owned. However, it was one reason that drove a paying client away. I moved. This policy does vary from marina to marina around here.
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