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2 Weeks Ago 05:07 PM
Minnewaska
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

Transient are suspect creatures. Except when we are transients.

Truth is, stuff can and probably is stolen by transients in any slip, they don't have to be in yours.

Knock on wood, I've not lost anything in a long time. Dock lines are untied and my hose has been used frequently. As long as they aren't abused, I dont get too hung up over it.
2 Weeks Ago 02:59 PM
FarCry
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

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Originally Posted by miatapaul View Post
Well one would hope they don't call the Coast Guard saying that you are late for your stated return! They are often one of the first to notice when someone has not returned back when people said they would return.

Me for one would not care if they rented the slip out. Only exception is to make sure they leave any lines on the dock set up the way they were left, and I would expect a credit on my electric if it is metered.
You clearly don't know my marina and I sure wouldn't pretend to know yours. They would be one of the last to notice when someone has not returned! I have told them actual dates before and they don't write them down and seem confused when I have followed a schedule. That's why I gave up.

I stay at my marina solely because it is in the safest area on the Island in the event of a hurricane.
2 Weeks Ago 02:33 PM
FarCry
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

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Originally Posted by RegisterNow View Post
Just curious - why does it bother you that they should rent it out??? (as long as they make sure it's free when you come back)


I'm quite surprised that the "rent it out again" rule causes you guys such a feeling of injustice. It's a rule you agreed to, isn't it? Like the parking meter that you paid for another 15 minutes, but when you're gone, the next guy pulls it and he'll pay again from the 1st minute (so the town gets the same spot paid twice)... or the concert that will charge others to hear the same music for which you've already paid a ticket!! (Shame on those musicians! ) ... -
Funny, I'm much more annoyed with inconsiderate slip "owners" who couldn't be bothered to let their marinas know they won't be in tonight, so that marinas take long to find out if they have transient slips available and if so, where, ... and overall it making longer cruises unnecessarily uncertain in terms of where you can pass the night. How do those of you who don't like declaring their absences sail usually--do you pass the night in marinas (yourself a transient) or do you anchor out, sail through the night etc.?


Having said that, I come back to my point that you can do only so much if you try to force people (even if they have voluntarily signed a contract saying they'd comply with the rules of the place). Of course you can set up fees for slip "owners" who repeatedly misinform the marina about their whereabouts. (Yeah, I'd love to do that. Talking about how to increase marina income and thereby lower the fees for everyone. Seriously though, you'll have more success and fewer complaints if you (also) offer an incentive. Apparently, ltgoshen's marina already does it... and would just have to publicize it a bit more.


PS: Sorry to hear about that, Nolesailor. Yes, in "my" perfect world it'd be obviously the marina who should be ready to repair and reimburse if a transient messes with you equipment!! They can re-rent "your" slip as long as they want, but you shouldn't have the backlash.
(Not sure what you're after with your comment of never having signed out though--you can hardly blame the marina for not paying much attention to it anymore when they see you don't keep them informed anyways? Yeah, I'm afraid you'll hate me for saying it... Still I'd do the same as a marina manager: If people try to free-ride and can't be bothered to play by the sign-out rules, their slips would be the first I'd use if I needed extras... )
In order of your comments:
At a parking meter I haven't left my hose, dock lines made to length and my power cord. When transients come in, my items seem to disappear. Yes I could take them with me but for a couple of days it seems like a silly PIA. When I will be gone for weeks I do take most of those things along or place them in my dock box. More than a few times I've left the slip not knowing my destination or length of trip. I go where the wind makes it easy and return in the forecast deteriorates. I've left with the ability to be gone for weeks and returned in days from equipment failure or weather causes. Would I then be inconsiderate if I told the marina I planned to be gone for three weeks but then returned in 3 days?

I don't "pass the night in marinas" except for a few nights a year when I am involved in large regattas. For those events my reservations are made 12 months in advance. I typically anchor out.

Paying for a slip in advance is hardly a "free ride". Having others use the water I pay for, the electricity I pay for and stealing my belongings from the slip I rent is what bothers me and some of the others in my marina. Yes I agreed to allow the marina to rent out my slip if I'm gone. But I also expected they would record the meters and charge the transient and confirm that my things weren't taken while I was gone.
2 Weeks Ago 02:08 PM
miatapaul
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

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Originally Posted by FarCry View Post
It's the same way at some of the marinas down here too. A friend who thought it was BS bought a $100 dinghy and ran some old anchor rode to the four pilings around the perimeter of the slip and back to his dinghy to "discourage" the marina from attempting to sublet the slip while he was gone sailing for 8 weeks. It worked!

If the dockmaster sees me leaving my slip and asks when I'm coming back my standard answer is the next day. If it's Monday for example, I say I'm coming back on Tuesday, just not which Tuesday! Also plans are apt to change once one gets "out there".
Well one would hope they don't call the Coast Guard saying that you are late for your stated return! They are often one of the first to notice when someone has not returned back when people said they would return.

Me for one would not care if they rented the slip out. Only exception is to make sure they leave any lines on the dock set up the way they were left, and I would expect a credit on my electric if it is metered.
2 Weeks Ago 01:58 PM
Mark1948
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

In addition to Montagu, Dr. Don Ardell in "High Level Wellness" wrote on dying as young as you can as old as you can.
2 Weeks Ago 01:28 PM
Minnewaska
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

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Originally Posted by jzk View Post
Is this a government owned facility? If not, then "unfair" is such a grey term that it almost has no meaning. "Fair" is that you make a deal with your marina, and both of you uphold the terms of your deal.
Of course, it wasn't government owned. However, it was one reason that drove a paying client away. I moved. This policy does vary from marina to marina around here.
2 Weeks Ago 01:19 PM
jzk
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

Is this a government owned facility? If not, then "unfair" is such a grey term that it almost has no meaning. "Fair" is that you make a deal with your marina, and both of you uphold the terms of your deal.

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Originally Posted by Minnewaska View Post
I can live with this rent-while-away policy. But, if I couldn't, I not aware of any exceptions around here.

The policy that bugs me is how ones LOA affects the costs of the same slip! My prior marina charged me for the entire 60 ft slip I was in. That would be fair in one way. You rent an apartment and it doesn't really matter how many people live in it. However, they charged the longer of your LOA or the slip length. That was unfair.
2 Weeks Ago 12:39 PM
nolesailor
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

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Originally Posted by RegisterNow View Post
(Not sure what you're after with your comment of never having signed out though--you can hardly blame the marina for not paying much attention to it anymore when they see you don't keep them informed anyways? Yeah, I'm afraid you'll hate me for saying it... Still I'd do the same as a marina manager: If people try to free-ride and can't be bothered to play by the sign-out rules, their slips would be the first I'd use if I needed extras... )
Nothing really...I do not know if our marina has a sign-out policy...it wasn't mentioned when I was told about them renting our slip if we are out. Our trips are usually only one night out and then back the next day...this happened to be the first time it was for a few days. Didn't think of the need to inform them with numerous open slips (our marina is half full at best)...it just struck me as kind of rude to use our slip, with all of our dock lines and everything else, when there were plenty of open slips. However, perhaps they thought I was the rude one for not informing them I was leaving. Either way, I saw them do this to our neighbor a couple of months ago...a different boat was in the slip next to us with our neighbor tied up to the long dock. Our neighbor lives an hour from the marina, as we do, so he had to make a special trip down to move his boat once the transient had vacated his slip. When I asked the dockhand the reason...he responded that it was just where we put him...didn't think the other guy would be back so soon. This occurred with at least 15-20 open slips...now, if it is a busy holiday weekend, with all the slips occupied...that is a different story...

Unfortunately, there are not many good options for marinas where I am...aside from this issue, they are still probably the best.
2 Weeks Ago 12:35 PM
Minnewaska
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

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Originally Posted by jzk View Post
So, if you don't like the policies of your marina, why not find another one?
I can live with this rent-while-away policy. But, if I couldn't, I not aware of any exceptions around here.

The policy that bugs me is how ones LOA affects the costs of the same slip! My prior marina charged me for the entire 60 ft slip I was in. That would be fair in one way. You rent an apartment and it doesn't really matter how many people live in it. However, they charged the longer of your LOA or the slip length. That was unfair.
2 Weeks Ago 12:07 PM
jzk
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

So, if you don't like the policies of your marina, why not find another one?
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