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8 Hours Ago 11:01 AM
mbianka
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

There is an older fellow in his late 70's near me who spent twenty years building his boat and has had it in the water for about seven years. Went for a sail only one time this year and he always needs crew to do it. Spends most of his time just puttering around working on it. But, seems to enjoy that. Sad thing is that no one is ever going to take care of that boat like he does and I think he has only sailed it maybe ten to fifteen times tops in seven years.
16 Hours Ago 03:37 AM
shadowraiths
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

I'm one of those liveaboards who never leaves my slip. That is, my boat-a-minium doesn't. Otoh, I do get to sail regularly when I'm not out running around in my dink, or working on various boat projects around the marina.

As for boats whose owners appear to have forgotten them?

Life happens.

For example, my neighbor's wife came down with cancer, so his once well-loved boat has sadly become a derelict, and the mainsail is now bird nesting material. Another neighbor had triple bypass surgery and hasn't been able to make it to his boat in a couple of years. Prior to his heart attack, he had considered moving aboard. And yet, another's wife has multiple sclerosis, and as such is unable to join him at the marina. They used to cruise up and down the California coast. Now, he just comes out to do brightwork. Yet another's husband has acute alzheimer's. So, she makes it out once a month or so to also do bright work. When she's here, I try to help keep an eye on him, as he tends to wander, and there is some concern that he could fall in the drink.

Otherwise put? It's easy to judge when one doesn't know the backstory.
1 Day Ago 01:14 PM
miatapaul
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

I don't have any issue at all with liveaboards who never go out. Sure I think they are missing out, but at least they are enjoying there boat and the water. What bugs me are all the boats (vast majority it seems) that never come back to the boat after they put it into the slip. Here we are mostly seasonal, and these guys pay to have the boat pulled, put into storage, then put into the slip (often by yard people) and never come down to them. Some of them very nice boats just sitting there never to be used. That seems like such a waste of money, and even more egregious, is the waste of nice boat.

Sure it is none of my business and sometimes there are issues that keep people away, but I am sure some of these boats have not been visited by the owners except on hull out day, or launch day for years. Some of them have not been visited for years, having others hull and launch. Just a shame. And I am not even talking about the derelict boats, but nice expensive boats. Most of the marinas around me have slips available, except of course the closest one to my kids, so it is not like it prevents other people from using the facilities.
1 Day Ago 12:36 PM
travlineasy
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

Interestingly, we have a similar situation in the upper reaches of Chesapeake Bay where state and local municipal marinas also have a waiting list, often as long as 5 years or more. Same reason as CA - low prices and easy, year round access. However, most of the marinas here that are state and municipal are in shallow water areas, not conducive to sailboats drawing 5 feet or more. At low tide, a lot of the sailboats are sitting on the bottom, and the tidal range is just 2 to 3 feet at most.

Cheers,

Gary
1 Day Ago 11:47 AM
WGEwald
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

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And, that is what makes the situation in places like California so complex, in that so many of the marinas are municipal yacht harbors, using public lands "held in trust" by the municipality, county, or whatever...
That point makes me change my position somewhat. Hadn't looked at it that way.
1 Day Ago 09:52 PM
christian.hess
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

I was in half moon cheap and then monterrey exhorbitant to say the least

found great deals the best really at moss landing plus gravelles is still there

makes the bay look like cote azur expensive

you just have to search however I agree and fell victim to the prices and non liveabord issues the bay has

its really all complex, badly run, corrupt and extremely inefficient.
1 Day Ago 09:22 PM
GeorgeB
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

the interesting thing is there are slips available at the higher priced private marinas whereas long wait lines in the public marinas. In places like Santa Cruz, Monterrey, Half Moon and Morrow Bays, the public marina is the only game in town. That means 100 - 150 miles of coastline is only served by the public sector. For years I was in a public marina owned and operated by the Port of Oakland. It was run down, but man - the rates were a real sweetheart deal. Long waits for slips though. They turned the operation over to a private operator, who rebuilt the slips and began charging the same market rates as the Alameda side of the Estuary. Overnight, all those never used boats vanished.
1 Day Ago 09:18 PM
JonEisberg
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

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Originally Posted by Minnesail View Post
I'm not sure of the legalities of the situation in California, but it sounds like we're talking about a limited public resource. Or maybe privately owned access points to a public resource?

If it's a limited private resource, and the owner is a savvy businessman, then the goal will be to maximize profits by charging as much as the market will bear.

But if it's a limited public resource, then the goal should be to maximize use.
EXACTLY... And, that is what makes the situation in places like California so complex, in that so many of the marinas are municipal yacht harbors, using public lands "held in trust" by the municipality, county, or whatever...

Things are complicated further, when the issue of slip transfers with the sale of a boat comes to the fore... Is it fair that a slipholder who decides to sell his boat can profit very handsomely - the value of a boat being increased by tens of thousands of dollars if the slip is part of the sale - simply as a result of being the beneficiary of their use of such facilities held in trust? Or, that people who have been on waiting lists for years, are being leap-frogged by buyers willing to pay such a significant premium with a boat purchase that allows them to 'cut in line', so to speak?

For those who might be suggesting there should be no 'regulation' whatsoever over how slips might be used, would they be willing to do away with the limit - typically around 10% of slipholders in most marinas in CA - that are allocated to full-time liveaboards? Well, in places like San Francisco Bay - where the costs of real estate and land-based residence are among the highest in the country - living aboard a boat even in the most upscale marina can often represent truly 'low cost housing'... If there were no restriction whatsoever on liveaboards, seems to me the marinas would eventually become the province of those looking primarily for comparatively affordable housing who are 'squatting' on public resources, in houseboats...

Again, I'm not advocating any particular solution, but simply trying to point out how complex this issue can become, at least in some parts of the country... Obviously, there are no easy answers here, but I still come down on the side of those who will avail themselves of such resources to actually get out on the water and USE their boats, as opposed to those who might simply be taking up space...

:-))
1 Day Ago 09:11 PM
PBzeer
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

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With a far larger number of people wishing to sail than there are slips, I don’t think it is unreasonable for marinas to be used by people who actually want to use their boats.
If public, then yes. If private, then no.

It should be noted though, that the existence of a problem does not guarantee the existence of an acceptable solution.
1 Day Ago 08:52 PM
WGEwald
Re: Liveaborders that never leave the slip? I don't get it. Help!

More "other people ought to do what we think they should do." Pathetic. No wonder the government becomes more intrusive with a receptive populace to accept it.
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