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07-20-2014 06:19 AM
CaptainForce
Re: Morgan 38's and 42's .... or ???

Quote:
Originally Posted by travlineasy View Post
The only negative thing I can think of about that Morgan full keel is.............
Maybe trivial to some, but as a bit of correction, I'd like to point out that the Morgan OI, like Gary's, does not actually have a full keel. It is a "modified" full keel or described as a cutaway forefoot. This does not change anyone's observations about the boat as posted above.
07-19-2014 09:49 PM
malyea
Re: Morgan 38's and 42's .... or ???

The longer 'fin' keel of a Kelley Peterson 44 looks like as close to a 'full keel' as I'd want to go. The KP44 seems to have reportedly very good performance under sail and is at the upper limit of what I'm looking for. Great looking boat for a center cockpit!
07-15-2014 06:12 PM
travlineasy
Re: Morgan 38's and 42's .... or ???

The only negative thing I can think of about that Morgan full keel is it doesn't back up worth a damned. It prop walks in both directions, depending upon the day of the week. However, one of the other great benefits of that full keel is you virtually cannot snag a crab pot or lobster pot float even if you run right over it. I've hit thousands while sailing at night in Chesapeake Bay and never, ever snagged one - not one! When I had my Catalina 27 with a fin keel, I snagged one every night I sailed after dark. I not only snagged them with the keel, but also the rudder and prop. Other than that, the Catalina 27 was a great boat for someone sailing singlehanded, it responded well to minor changes in sail settings, and it really came up tight into the wind, much tighter than the Morgan with a full keel. So, yes there are some benefits there as well, depends upon what you are looking for in the way of benefits.

Good luck on whatever you decide upon,

Gary
07-14-2014 08:44 PM
4arch
Re: Morgan 38's and 42's .... or ???

Ericson 38 & 38-200, C&C Landfall 38/42, Brewer 44, Pearson 424, Endeavour 42, Cal 39 are some comparable boats that come to mind. We started out thinking the Morgan 384 would be perfect for us – and on paper it mostly is – but we ultimately ended up preferring a more modern design for several reasons. We also said we’d never get in-mast furling but now have it and love it.
07-14-2014 07:25 PM
christian.hess
Re: Morgan 38's and 42's .... or ???

while true

almost all real full keelers track much better than a narrow long fin and spade, but it has more to do with the rudder than anything

certain points of sail make this abundantly clear when comparing boats

just sayin
07-14-2014 07:09 PM
Jeff_H
Re: Morgan 38's and 42's .... or ???

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Originally Posted by travlineasy View Post
I would want that full keel for the added stability and solid tracking advantage it seems to offer. All the rest of the stuff I agree. I have a Morgan 33 Out Island with a full keel, huge amount of room, both interior and cockpit, sails like a dream, tracks like it has autopilot, and rarely heels more than 15 degrees in 25 knot winds on a beam reach.
Gary
Gary,

Just for the record, a full keel does not inherently offer a bit of added stability. And a full keel does not necessarily result in 'solid tracking'. From a design standpoint the reason that a full keel is no longer seen as the ideal cruising keel has to do with the problem with being able to produce enough stability to allow the boat to stand up to an efficient sailplan that is powerful enough to overcome the increased drag from the keel. There are work arounds but they come at a price in terms of some mix being harder to handle, especially in changing conditions, or less carrying capacity.

The reason that your boat does not heel much is that it has an exceptionally wide beam and therefore a lot of form stability, and very little sail area (SA/D less than 14) for its weight and drag. As a result your heel angle that has nothing to do with the shape of your keel. You would actually heel less if you had less drag.

Respectfully,
Jeff
07-14-2014 04:36 PM
kennmazz
Re: Morgan 38's and 42's .... or ???

Loving my 384.
07-14-2014 11:53 AM
malyea
Re: Morgan 38's and 42's .... or ???

Gary, it always warms my heart when I hear a boat owner speak well of their boat...kind of like a happy marriage. Like most folks, I'm of the opinion that every boat is a compromise to one degree or another...more so when we ask a boat to do more than one or two things well. For me, I don't want a full keel for all the 'standard' pro/con reasons but I am very happy for those that do ;-)
07-14-2014 11:28 AM
travlineasy
Re: Morgan 38's and 42's .... or ???

I only have one question: Why do do you want to avoid a full keel? If I were thinking of another offshore boat, I would want that full keel for the added stability and solid tracking advantage it seems to offer. All the rest of the stuff I agree. I have a Morgan 33 Out Island with a full keel, huge amount of room, both interior and cockpit, sails like a dream, tracks like it has autopilot, and rarely heels more than 15 degrees in 25 knot winds on a beam reach.

Gary
07-14-2014 11:12 AM
malyea
Re: Morgan 38's and 42's .... or ???

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Originally Posted by miatapaul View Post
but why would you want to avoid a seaworthy cockpit?
Probably poor wording on my part (...just ask my wife...I have a knack).

I want a cockpit of enough length to be able to stretch out (min 6') on either side seat.

A number of 'traditional' blue water designs confine the crew to hanging their legs into a bathtub size cockpit and napping on the cockpit sole curled in the fetal position.

With an appropriate bridge deck and a quick draining cockpit, I'll gladly trade small cockpit volume for the ability to sleep stretched out in the cockpit.

That's my thinkin'...

Sure am looking hard at the Morgan 38's.....
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