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10-17-2002 01:25 PM
928frenzy
Annapolis

From what I''m told, long distance cruising is mostly done running to a broad-reach. Tacking is done infrequently, and motoring is not too uncommon - which is why many long distance cruisers have fuel tanks of 100 gallons or more.

As others have pointed out - "There is no such thing as a ''perfect sailboat''." If the boat is to be used for extensive offshore cruising, comfort and safety become more important than speed and agility.

To put it in terms that most can understand -it would be great to have a vehicle that could carry all the things one needs for an extended camping trip, yet still be as nimble and fast as a sports-car. Well, they haven''t built a car that can do it yet, and they haven''t built a boat that can do it either - so either pick the Winebago or pick the Corvette, but don''t expect either to do what the other one can.

~ Happy sails to you ~ _/) ~
10-17-2002 12:35 PM
Sailmc
Annapolis

doubleplay,
You make a very good point on pointing ability. If you can''t point you won''t get there at all unless you motor.
10-17-2002 11:38 AM
doubleplay
Annapolis

here is my two cents:
first of all all the modern quality production boats mentioned like Sabre,J Boats,Dehler and the likes are safe and sound boats in any type of sea conditions and all of them above 30 ft are rated Catagorie "A" meaning unlimited all oceans.The difference between them and heavy displacement boats like IP is the volume; which transfers the amount they can carry.I sailed on an IP 38 from Bermuda to Norfolk and believe me the ride was slow unless you broad reach over 15 knts.
Comfort on board is a very subjective matter and it all depends how experienced you are living and working on a moving boat.Believe me all the displacement in the world wont make a diffrence in Gulf Stream with strong wind against current.
IP''s being full keel boats are best in the shallow waters of the Bahamas (lots of grounding)and Florida specially cruising long term or living aboard.But they are not only slow but also dont point well(full keel) and to me pointing makes a whole a lot of difference than speed over the course of a passage.
I might add though they are very well built boats and I know one IP29 made a trans Atlantic passage(long one).
Fair winds
10-17-2002 11:35 AM
928frenzy
Annapolis

Clearly, it is a matter of degree. However, whenever one decides to go offshore, keep in mind that "accurate weather forcasting" is an illusion, especially if the trip will take a week or more. Given that one cannot control the weather, the best a good sailor and crew can do is ''prepare for the worst and hope for the best''.

A heavier (yet slower) boat is inherently more stable in rough seas, and usually has more room for the gear and provisions needed for extended cruising. Basically, my Admiral and crew would rather get to where we''re going a day later if it meant getting there at all. Doing it in relative comfort is just icing on the cake. Besides, we''re sailing - what''s the rush? If you need to get wherever at a certain time - you should take a plane!

~ Happy sails to you ~_/) ~
10-17-2002 11:24 AM
Denr
Annapolis

Sailorkotemitch:

Don''t plan on getting a lot of sleep next if you''re going to take that trip with me, we''re sailing!
10-17-2002 10:37 AM
SailorMitch
Annapolis

Frenzy,

If the seas are so rough that captain and crew on (pick one) a Caliber 40, Sabre 402, or J-42 are being thrown around like rag dolls, I doubt that the folks on an IP 40 are sitting there drinking martinis and eating canapes. We''re talking about degrees here, and, yes, about subjectivity and choices. I''d vote for a slightly (and I do think it the improvement would be at the margins for the boats we''re talking about) rougher ride if I knew I''d be in port a day earlier. I could do a lot of sleeping in port for a whole day waiting for the slower boat to arrive, not to mention outrunning that low pressure system coming up the coast that''s gonna clobber the slower boat. I think the Admiral would agree with me, too (after she cussed me out for sailing off into those conditions to begin with.)
10-17-2002 10:13 AM
928frenzy
Annapolis

Comfort is like pornography. My Admiral knows it when she feels it and sees it. I suspect, your Admiral knows it too - even if you don''t. ;^)

The Captain may be in charge while underway, but the Admiral has a very large (if not the final) say in what vessel her pennant flies and how much is spent on that vessel. At least that''s the way it is in our democratic household. However, this method may not apply with dictators or among those who graduated from the "Captain Bligh school of diplomacy". ;^)

Happy sails to you ~ _/) ~
10-17-2002 08:30 AM
Denr
Annapolis

A lot of lip service is paid to "comfort". How do you rank comfort? What is the standard unit of measure? Maybe we should all stay at home with our half moons under the covers! Sailing is not a sport or pastime for softies, sometimes itís tough and other times itís easy and relaxing. What a bunch of comfort weenies!

BTW Commander and Chief of a vessel out ranks the Admiral.
10-17-2002 07:46 AM
928frenzy
Annapolis

You said, "I doubt the ride on any of these (faster boats) would be too shabby."

Perhaps when the seas are fair, but what kind of ride do they have when the seas are not so nice? Don''t forget, YOU alone do not get to decide if the ride was pleasant. Your crew (and especially the Admiral) has something to say about it as well. I don''t know about you, but my Admiral does not like to being tossed about like a rag-doll, especially for hours on end. :^( For her, comfort is much more important than speed. If your Admiral can take the punishment, then go for the faster (less sea-kindly) boat. My guess is that even if she can take it now, in time you''ll both wish you had a more comfortable boat for those extended cruises.

~ Happy sails to you ~ _/) ~
10-17-2002 07:43 AM
Denr
Annapolis

IP, maybe this stands for Incredibly Passable?

Any of the +40 foot boats that have been mentioned in this thread will give one a pretty comfortable ride, whether it be a IP40 or a J42, you''re still going to move 15 feet vertically in 15 foot waves! Speed should be an important but not a sole deciding factor in choosing which vessel best fits your needs. The speed difference of a minute-a-mile over long passages could be the difference in a squall between taking a lot of sailcloth down offshore or removing the cockpit awning in the harbor.

There is no doubt that the IPs are robustly designed and built. In the trade winds you could probably not find a better suited boat however the way 95% of us use or boats, swift is better than slow. My money is on the 402!
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