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07-19-2014 03:13 PM
TakeFive
Re: Bad Rope (Line/Sheet) Advice?

I know people here can be pretty picky about their lines, but I think it's a stretch to call Sta-Set a bad choice for a beginning daysailer. He could have done a lot worse. It is a shame if he got a different diameter than he likes, but he could see that before he bought it. He should have checked the MacGregor manual or user group for recommended line sizing before purchasing. That's not really the store's responsibility.
07-16-2014 08:13 PM
SloopJonB
Re: Bad Rope (Line/Sheet) Advice?

Which store was it? Steveston or Worst Marine?

Or somebody else?
07-14-2014 11:05 PM
Stumble
Re: Bad Rope (Line/Sheet) Advice?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lomcevak View Post
From my receipt I got:

-StaSet
-StaSetX
-StaSetCC
-StaSetSC

Although, the letters after the 'StaSet' may be colours. I'm not sure.

I'll try and get more information on them later.
Other than a reasonable objection already noted about sta-set for sheets these were probably the cheapest lines you could have bought. Sta-set is basically the entry point for line. There are some specialty lines that can be cheaper, but not unless you are willing to learn how to do taper splices, and dyneema end for end splicing. Doable certainly, but not something that is really all that common outside of high end racing boats, and the cost savings are pretty minimal.

And while I don't like it, sta-set is a pretty common choice for sheets as well.
07-14-2014 09:25 PM
blt2ski
Re: Bad Rope (Line/Sheet) Advice?

ANother that one has to worry about. How many go up a line size, BECAUSE it is easier on the hands, only to find out the previous owner did the same, so now you are trying to be two sizes bigger in diam than speced.......oh boy!

ANyway, not a fan of sta-set or some of the other equals. Many seem to be somewhat spongy, in that they can soak up water. Be it rain or sray/waves etc getting on the boat. So sometimes the smaller diam higher tech lines are better from this standpoint. I do not know too many that like wet cold hands, especially if one can sail in the winter months like I can, in upper 20-low 40F temps.

Marty
07-14-2014 06:48 PM
christian.hess
Re: Bad Rope (Line/Sheet) Advice?

I think the issue is getting to learn and feel the new line versus old...

doesnt sound like the op got any sort of racing rope or braids or materials, simply new stuff
07-14-2014 06:45 PM
fallard
Re: Bad Rope (Line/Sheet) Advice?

Your old lines were probably larger in diameter than when new. A common mistake is to replace them with new ones of the same diameter as found. You may have gotten some savvy advice from the salespeople, after all.

I made the mistake of replacing an old keel pennant with sta-set of the same diameter as the line that was removed. The replacement was too tight around the blocks and I ended up buying a new, nest smaller size line and learning a lesson about matching the diameter of a new line to an old, fuzzed-up line.
07-14-2014 03:08 PM
christian.hess
Re: Bad Rope (Line/Sheet) Advice?

if it werent for shipping down here Id be all over that...ajajaja
07-14-2014 01:45 PM
Capt Len
Re: Bad Rope (Line/Sheet) Advice?

I've got nearly a whole roll of new samson dacron 3/8 with a blue marker and another of soft 7/16 white braid sitting in the basement. Offering at 1/2 price of WM. A couple of inches of vinyl hose where it goes thru the bee hole helps the issue. .I don't splice any more but if I can do it ,you can learn too. Sold the tall ship.
07-14-2014 01:40 PM
smurphny
Re: Bad Rope (Line/Sheet) Advice?

Quote:
Originally Posted by christian.hess View Post
I did notice that...my JIB sheet sta set kinked amazingy fast and was a nuissance to coil and stow...

however they are new and have not been eased on yet...so I will find out for sure...

the west marine store only had this and not any samson line...which is what I wanted originally based on reviews.
Last year, in a West Marine down in Florida, I found a cut length of 10mm Salsa for an unbelievable price. I think it must have been mis-marked, like $69 for 90', just long enough for my mainsheet which was getting pretty worn out. The original was 7/16" standard Yacht Braid. The Salsa (although brightly colored has been very good as a sheet line and I'd definitely recommend it for this use. It is even more pliable than the Yacht Braid. The other great thing about the Salsa is that it's not double braid which is a royal PITA to splice. 12 strand is easy-peezy.It does pay to keep an eye on the spool end pieces in stores.New England Ropes - Product Details
07-14-2014 01:40 PM
SchockT
Re: Bad Rope (Line/Sheet) Advice?

Honestly I think your first mistake was to rush out and replace all your running rigging after only having sailed the boat twice. I understand the appeal of having all shiny new colorful lines, but I think you would have been better off waiting until you got to know the boat better. That would also have given you time to educate yourself on your options before you went to the store and dropped all that cash!

It's hard to know how good the advice you got was. I am guessing you went to Steveston Marine. If so, the knowledge base is hit or miss. Did you ask for someone who knew about rope, or did you go with the first guy to say "can I help you". Did he ask you questions like what kind of clutches and cleats the boat has? If not, he should have!

For the most part modern ropes are much smaller diameter than their old school equivalents, and yes, that can make them a bit harder on the hands in some situations, but it also reduces friction significantly. The biggest concern with downsizing Halyard diameters aside from the potential for it to jump the sheave is whether the clutches can hold the new rope. Some clutches are sized to a specific rope diameter, and can't hold smaller lines without slipping. Also , if your stoppers are worn they may be able to hold fat fuzzy old rope but have a hard time with the new slippery line. As for chaffe problems, no rope is going to tolerate being dragged across sharp metal edges. That is an issue you should resolve before you replace the rope, and you certainly can't expect the salesman to anticipate such things!

Really, what it comes down to is that you should have educated yourself more before you went shopping. I get my rope advice from riggers not retail salesmen! Even posting here first would have better prepared you. Having said that, you will probably be fine with most of the lines you bought!

Now get out sailing and figure out what works and what doesn't!
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