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|11-28-2007 02:48 AM|
Originally Posted by AntonR View Post
but something does often change with folks as they get older; when once all they needed was a pack and a tent and a can of sterno to see the world, suddenly they need half a village, twenty pack animals and a few elephants (with wireless of course). do we just get lazy or weak or smarter?
i suppose you can't generalise. in my neck of the enchanted forest, I sure wouldn't want to be roughing it. southern california or mexico is one thing, but up here its just too damned cold. it's a lot easier being a sand fly when the water is 30 degrees and the air is 40.
as i've gotten older i have moved more and more towards simple and wondering how far i can go, and whether i'll have a mate with me the whole trip. most women won't buy what is described above, not once they reach the grey side of 20.
one person's hell is another's enlightened bliss.
|11-24-2007 06:40 PM|
In my 8 months out and about, I've seen a lot of boats, and a lot of expensive boats, but that's not usually the people I end up anchored with at the end of the day. Like me, they have older, less pricey boats. Yes there are the midrange boats, out there as well, but by and large, it's us low buck boats that fill most of the space.
One can dither about forever, or one can go out and do it, and make do as best you can. It really isn't any more complex than that.
|11-24-2007 06:07 PM|
Originally Posted by HoffaLives View Post
Never has been.
I sailed a lot but never much cared for having to come back to the ramp/dock.
I saw a cat being built that I had been reading about. I knew all the gizmos I wanted to have on it. It was early 80s.
It was way out of my reach.
I saw a cat a week ago. It had all of the gizmos that I would want.
It is way out of my reach.
Only the rich have boats (that work). Or the newly poor.
|11-12-2007 11:54 PM|
Livia, thanks for joining the thread and contributing such interesting thoughts.
I too am struggling with a lot of this right now and trying to decide what kind of a life I want on the boat. I am glad to have all of you to discuss these kinds of things with, it is engaging and helps me think through it in my own mind. I have more thoughts on this but I need to get out of here because I'm getting ready to go somewhere. Hope you all have a great few days! See you soon.
|11-12-2007 11:45 PM|
Originally Posted by Valiente View Post
|11-12-2007 11:16 PM|
Originally Posted by bestfriend View Post
That said--some people seem to be enjoying the ruckus so none of my beeswax.
So, on the original topic - my husband and I are looking at potentially 2.5 years to a very early retirement and an indefinite cruise.
We're dealing a lot with the idea of simplicity vs ease. Some of it for us has to do with what bothers us. There is a balance between making and fixing that each person has to decide on. I would rather boil water every day than fix a hot water heater. But I would rather fix a wind vane than always hand steer.
As we get further into our process, my mind changes. I become more willing to fix but also more willing to make (boil water, whatever). Many of the things that seemed so important when we were shopping for our boat** are fading. As we start to think in terms of indefinite travel, not on the US coast, we realize that minimizing the complex moving parts and electronics are important to us in a way that they wouldn't be while living a mile from a West Marine.
*making inflamatory comments just to get people riled
**A gorgeous Wauquiez Pretorien needing just a bit of TLC (of course)
|11-12-2007 11:05 PM|
|HoffaLives||And speaking of trolls, that might be a good definition for us antisocial liveaboards in our damp, dark boats. That might even make a good club/website moniker: "The Trolls" Much more imaginative than sailnet.|
|11-12-2007 11:01 PM|
This is a tangent but a damned interesting one so WTH. First of all, I've also posted that the above kind of commentary is an acerbic persona, useful in drawing out the lurkers. Having said that, I do think there are broad social generalities that do exist, even though they fall apart when you get to the individual.
We could debate the reasons until nuns fly, but in my experience guys are more willing to put themselves at risk, more willing to be assholes when drunk, and more willing to wallow in their own filth. Of course there are tons of women willing to go out in a gale with dirty underwear, but I do think they are in the minority.
As for the guys buying the expensive gear, that's just the point. It's the ikea ethic, only on the water. Personally, I hate buying crap for the boat.
My wife is somewhere in the middle; good for her. She has many times impressed me with her ability to be very feminine, and yet have the gonads to climb on the foredeck and haul down a headsail in a blow.
A lot of women don't have that. Same for a lot of guys. But among sailors, there are fewer women than men.
IMO, that makes the women who do all that more special. Sure it's just them being them, but I admire toughness and the willingness to give it a shot wherever I find it.
|11-12-2007 11:00 PM|
|bestfriend||No need to apologize, stand up for what you feel. As you found out, most of us here are willing to support anyone in their efforts to live their dream.|
|11-12-2007 10:49 PM|
I just read the Phoofy ladies thread.
I apologize for feeding the troll.
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