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11-12-2007 10:45 PM
Valiente
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Originally Posted by tommyt View Post
OK,

I am moving back to Toronto and joining your club. My fuel bill is about the same, insurance about the same although it is high because of charter. Howeever, my summer dockage is double, my winter storage double, and I could easily drink my quota in the bar in a week. Hell, I will even bring a car for you to share when it rains.

Can I get free medical if I live aboard for the summer?
That's crazy. My dockage is based on dock length, not boat length, and I have a 38 foot dock. The winter storage is based on deck square footage (beam x length) and includes the price of craning in and out. I noticed my bill went up about 50% going from a 33-foot to a 40-foot, sure, but the club membership is still the biggest ding.

And I have to tell you that my club is in the top five most expensive out of the 20 or so in this city. The club next door, Alexandra, has rubber cube docks, no restaurant, and a modest kitchen for the members. Here's their prices. Keep in mind they are essentially in the identical 90-seconds to the lake locale, right downtown:

Full club membership entails the following fees:

CREWING MEMBER Dues $40.00 + Initiation Fee $0.00 + GST $2.80 = $42.80

ASSOCIATE MEMBER Dues $100.00 + Initation Fee $150.00 + GST $17.50 = $267.50

SENIOR MEMBER:

* Initiation Fee $1500.00
* Mooring Debenture $600.00 (Refundable*)
* Building Debenture $2000.00 (Refundable*)
* Annual Dues $420.00
* Summer Mooring $1.00/sq. ft. (e.g. 10 ft. x 30 ft. boat = $300.00)
* Winter Storage** $1.20/sq. ft. (10 ft. x 30 ft. = $360.00)

*The debentures are refundable following notification in writing to the club of the member's decision to resign membership and will be redeemed in the order of the waiting list as each new senior member is accepted.

**Winter storage includes lifting out and launching on the days the club brings in a mobile crane.

A Cheque in the amount of $2054.40 ($1500.00 initiation fee + $420.00 membership dues + $134.40 GST) must accompany an application for senior membership, with the balance due within 30 days of the acceptance of the application.

After the first year costs will be annual membership dues, summer mooring and winter storage fees.

The Alexandra Yacht Club is a self-help club, which means that we do all our own maintenance, upkeep and repairs. All senior members must contribute a minimum of 16 work hours per calendar year.

For more membership information contact: Don Hood.


As for the medical, sorry, no. But our drugs are a great deal cheaper!
11-12-2007 10:02 PM
tommyt OK,

I am moving back to Toronto and joining your club. My fuel bill is about the same, insurance about the same although it is high because of charter. Howeever, my summer dockage is double, my winter storage double, and I could easily drink my quota in the bar in a week. Hell, I will even bring a car for you to share when it rains.

Can I get free medical if I live aboard for the summer?
11-12-2007 06:29 PM
Valiente My 15 ton, 40 foot boat costs approximately two-thirds the total expense I would have yearly with a $35,000 car when you consider depreciation, insurance, maintenance and fuel.

My yearly fuel bill is about $300-$400, my club membership is about $1,500. my summer dockage and winter storage is about $1,600, and I have to spend $35 per month at the club restaurant. My insurance for this boat is $1,400 a year.

Total: under $5,000 per year. I figure the yearly cost of a sedan is close to $8,000.

Now, as I am currently equipping the boat, I am spending a fair bit on gear and services, but I consider that "home improvement".

Also note that if I lived in that nice new car, I would be considered homeless. If I lived on the middle-aged sailboat, I would be considered wealthy.

Funny world, isn't it?

(My 33 footer cost less than $3,000/year at the same club, so I imagine a 25-footer would be economical compared to that.)
11-12-2007 03:21 PM
JustinC25 I like this thread and agree with a lot of what is said. I’m 25 and bought my first sailboat almost two years ago. I never grew up around the water or boats; I just had the dream that it was something I wanted to get into. I’m the only one in my family that sails and none of my friends have been into sailing. I’m always trying to share sailing experiences with others to get more people involved. I love taking out my family (have 4 brothers) and friends; I just wish they were as enthusiastic as I am. The worst excuse I had a friend give me about not sailing was that he had some type of clan meeting in his World of Warcraft online game. He preferred to spend his day sitting at a computer killing virtual monsters with his virtual friends rather than spending a beautiful day sailing on the water! What is wrong with some of these people? I guess if that’s their thing, then be it. He has since given up that addiction and realized how much of a waste it was. I like my video games too, but that tends to be more of an off sailing season hobby of mine.

Some people may say sailing is too expensive, but then others say it’s not. I tend to agree that it does not have to be that expensive. Yes, it can be costly, but if it is something you really want to do, I’m sure a lot of people could work to make it happen. I’m not rich, but I think I am fortunate for what I have. I’ve worked very hard to get where I am today and to make my dreams happen. There are lots of used sailboats that will cost money, but aren’t always as far out of reach as many initially believe. I do have to admit though; my boat has cost me more than I first thought, but not too much. It’s not cheap to own a boat, but a small day sailor is probably within many peoples’ reach. If you don’t want to buy a boat, then there are many crew opportunities and ways to get involved without buying your own. I live 75 miles from the bay and like zz2gta said, you will rarely ever find someone that sails other than at a marina or at a town near the water. Turns out zz2gta lives just a mile or two down the road from me, so there are at least 2 young sailors here in land locked Leesburg, VA. We are also two young people that have gone out and made our dreams of buying our own sailboats true. I’m sure if there was more interest, more young people would realize that this is an accessible sport that is so different compared to everything that is common out there today.
11-11-2007 09:43 PM
sailhog Jesus Christ. Which one's the thirteen-year-old?
11-10-2007 11:35 PM
cardiacpaul well, it looks like this is where we put our respective spawn, so here goes.

the boy, now 17, here he's on his way to pinning the kid and placing 5th in the state. (now weighs all of 127.85 lbs)



in a band, of course... they're biggest hit? "AAAAAAARRRRRRRGHHHHH, EWWWWWWWWWVHDJ"

thats all I can make out of it.


and finally, the cuban and her 13 year old.
11-10-2007 01:18 PM
Valiente He doesn't know the half of it, and I hope to keep it that way until we are in international waters...
11-10-2007 01:04 PM
sailaway21 Val,
I guess he's resigned then to the prospect of having to work his passage! (g)
11-10-2007 12:58 PM
Valiente That is the S/V Kajama, a 1930 "tall ship" used for booze cruises around Toronto in the summer, and an extremely familiar sight to us as it leaves and returns to Toronto Harbour right in front of our club. Despite the fact that the sails are 99% "for show, not go", and it is inevitably stuffed with gawking lubbers, we think she adds something to an evening's cruise around the Toronto Islands.

http://forms.cta-otc.gc.ca/CVIS/Ship...?ShipID=821252

http://www.greatlakesschooner.com/ht...ts_kajama.html

Launched as the Wilfried in Rendsburg, Germany in 1930, the Kajama traded under sail for nearly 70 years. She was a familiar ship in ports from Northwest Spain, through western Europe, and as far north as Norway and Russia. In 1999, Kajama was delivered transatlantic by Great Lakes Schooner Company and restored to her original profile.

We are proud to offer this 164' three-masted gaff-rigged schooner, which can comfortably accommodate parties of up to 225 people. Your group can enjoy deliciously prepared meals in Kajama's spacious single dining room (a 1006 square foot, open, and airy venue that enjoys natural lighting and ventilation through massive skylights).
11-10-2007 12:51 PM
sailhog Valiente,
You guys look like you have a lot of fun on the water... What is that off in the distance behind your son? Looks like a three-masted something-or-other...
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