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04-15-2007 02:40 PM
werebeagle Are you PC or Mac, and what browser are you using?
04-15-2007 11:15 AM
southerncross31 Thanks SD, I will pick it up asap. SH now has a 7" chartplotter (waas) combined with a vhf...so all you have to do is send a distress message and your gps position is available. I have never owned a chartplotter before and want to make sure i buy the right one.
Charlie....all i can do is visit the sailnet homepage and view most recent posts. All other features are unavailable to me. Otherwise i wouldn't have wasted everyones time by asking here...
04-15-2007 10:41 AM
werebeagle SC31

You need to be in the directory for the sub forum you want to start the thread in. Then click on the forum tools button and you'll get an option for start a thread in the drop down menu.

Charlie
04-15-2007 10:37 AM
sailingdog SC31-

While I've got zip experience with the SH chartplotters, they do make pretty good gear, at least their VHF gear is very solid.

If you're having trouble with the missus.... you might want to get and read Debra Kantrell's Changing Course, and then give it to her... it is written specifically for women whose husbands want them to go cruising and give up life ashore... It is imperative that you read it first... so you know the issues that are raised and what Kantrell's response to them are... as well as so you can think about those issues.
04-15-2007 10:27 AM
southerncross31 Sorry for the double post, but there is a question i have for those of you with more knowledge than me.......it's off topic too...but I can't post new threads for some reason so.......has anyone used the Standard Horizon chartplotters? If so how do they compare to the others? They take c-map cards and i'm just wondering how good they are. I really appreciate any help.
04-15-2007 10:23 AM
southerncross31 Thanks for the tips SV.....I can only imagine how great of an experience you are having. I am going to start by getting my kids sooo hooked on sailing that they will be bugging my wife to go. Then there will be 3 against one in my favor My frigin property taxes alone are now 600$ a month. I figure we could cut our living expenses in half by cruising. And if i don't have the laptop with us, i can keep my wife away from e-bay! That will save us another 600 a month.
I have always wanted to raise my kids on a boat....even before i had them . I only wish now that i had made sure my wife was more into it before! I just don't understand why anyone would want to live a boring hum drum life on land.....taking the kids to school, going to work, working on the house...it is all so damn monotonous (MS) i want to tear my hair out. I want my kids to see the world and learn and grow through experiences with other cultures. As my uncle put it (a cruiser of years who has been through 3 wifes before he found one that stuck around on the boat)....your trapped!
The difference is that he leaves his kid with his ex...i can't be away from my kids for more than 1 night without getting bummed out, so it's all or nothing for me.
04-13-2007 08:11 PM
sailingdog Don, sounds like you've got a good start on being your own boatyard...
04-13-2007 08:03 PM
donrr1 Our goal is to be on the water at least half of the year. Here's the way we're going about it....

I have work experience in Restaurant and Auto sales. Both of these jobs are relatively easy to find anywhere in the states when we are on the hard. My partner retires in 2 years from government service providing us with benefits and substantial income.

We decided to get an older boat with a sound hull and rig and simply replace EVERY system. We bought a 1969 Morgan 41' C/B Ketch with staysail stay in December 2006 for $17k. It's a full keeled boat which in its day was a CCA racer/cruiser. The hull and rigging were inspected by a surveyor named Jack Horner (whom I recommend highly). He was very impressed with the condition of the hull and made many recomendations about the rigging upgrades. I wanted to know that I had a stable platform to build on, I do. I am now living on the boat and performing a total refit as I do so. I have 3 years to git er done. The funding for the refit is being provided by my full time salary and some savings. I still have a garage with stuff that I am in the process of distributing until it is gone. My current expenses for living are 266.00 per month slip fees (no extra for land storage in winter), approx 40.00 per mo in electricity, 139.00 for the garage, 43.00 cell phone, 66.00 for liability on boat, 230.00 car and insurance. A grand total of 784.00 per month.

I am figuring about $60k will be needed to refurbish and upgrade the boat. There will be no borrowing for any of the work and I am performing most, if not all, of the labor. After my partner retires in 2 years, we plan on cruising the Chesapeake for one season to gain a firm footing and shakedown the boat. At which time we will have no debt, enough savings to purchase a house after cruising and enough income (about 2800.00 per mo) to comfortably cruise on. The only issue is our medical benefits will be limited to US territories. If we decide to venture away, we will cross that bridge as best we can.

My background includes being a Machinist Mate in the USN, 3 years of tech school for carpentry and four years experience as a builder, 2 yr computer science degree (I'm hip on electronics). So for me, I have the ability to refit the boat and hopefully do it right. I have no fear of it because I have all of you friends here on Sailnet to help me ( as well as all of the wonderful books I have collected )

Don
04-13-2007 10:49 AM
Valiente Budgeting has to be averaged out over the life of the voyage. Several cruiser blogs highlight this variability in monthly outlay, and it seems for many to fall into spending more in the first six months as gear you thought was up to scratch in fact isn't, and until you get far enough away from your home country to avoid the temptation of marinas, visits back to your home town, and nights ashore in restaurants.

The pattern then shows a general decline as people become more able to exist on the hook and/or go to places where money is simply harder to spend.

There's usually a spending spree at 18-24 months as sails are replaced or repaired, and stuff like cooling pumps, heat exchangers and injectors require service. There's also an interesting point where you finally run out of "spares from home" and realize that 20 Racor and spin-on oil filters did not in fact constitute a lifetime supply.

After that, and barring major mishaps, the spending gets more predictable and regular, it seems.

I estimate we can cruise comfortably on $25,000 Canadian/year, which is about $21,000 U.S. or 16,000 Euros. This factors in one haul-out and winter storage in five years, plus a more or less complete boat repaint (it's steel), and a potential rigging refreshing. This doesn't include the approximately $30,000 in upgrades we'll be putting into the boat before we leave.

While there are more variables than on land, I've run my own business for years now and am used to budgeting. Also, while I tend to buy the best gear I can afford, I am otherwise parsimonious with money...I'd rather sail longer and cheaper!

Now, if my plan for renting out the house works out, we'll break even if I can write about six articles per year...
04-13-2007 08:25 AM
sailingdog welll said chris.
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