SailNet Community - Reply to Topic

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > Out There > Cruising & Liveaboard Forum > Any need for photography?
 Not a Member? 


Thread: Any need for photography? Reply to Thread
Title:
  

By choosing to post the reply below you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Message:
Trackback:
Send Trackbacks to (Separate multiple URLs with spaces) :
Post Icons
You may choose an icon for your message from the following list:
 

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Click here to view the posting rules you are bound to when clicking the
'Submit Reply' button below


Additional Options
Miscellaneous Options

Click here to view the posting rules you are bound to when clicking the
'Submit Reply' button below


Topic Review (Newest First)
11-28-2007 08:41 PM
xort
Quote:
Originally Posted by MiVelero View Post
Xort Funny how people value/devalue their various possesions.
I guess we differ in what yardstick we use to measure value, mine certainly is not $$$$
What would you think if I came into your place of employment and told your boss "I will work for free, get rid of that halekai you are paying".:eek:

With all due repect, that is a lame argument. If pros feel threatened by amateurs then its time for reevaluation of their skills and or business plans.

Just my 2 cents
If you have a nice house, I'm sure you'd like to entertain guests, even give them food & spirits. But when a bum staggers to the door and wants you to let his smelly ass in for the night, do you feel that 'well, I should share my nice house with the world'? Sharing your pictures with friends & family is one thing, even displaying watermarked pictures to the world; but to readily make them available for commercial pirates?
If a commercial operation is used to paying for something, why give it to them free?
11-28-2007 07:26 PM
retclt Don't know if this has been mentioned yet but . . . Keep the horizon horizontal in boating pictures. Most people shoot away not paying attention to the orientation of the horizon. Sailing pictures especially!
11-28-2007 07:08 PM
zaliasvejas The bow pictures look mildly fascinating...
Making them over, as RandyonR3 suggested would turn them into just another something we have seen before. Pointless....
I am fascinated how many approaches to photography there are... That is a great testament to the craft, whatever tools one uses. There is no right or wrong pictures out there, there are only people's attitudes towards them..
I think we should enjoy photography as we choose, and, in the end, that is the ultimate value...
I did not enjoy photography when I made a living at it, I enjoyed the money I made with it... Kinda sick, isn't it? I am glad I don't have to do that anymore.
Just some thoughts...
11-23-2007 06:54 PM
RandyonR3 Mi
What you say concerning the Re-evaluation is a constent threat. When I swiched from film to digital, The choice was made due to an Amature who droped off the stock market scene in 1998 to pick up a digital camara and head for the back country of Alaska. He spent the better part of a year in the back country and when he came out, His photos were shown at the Smithsonian.
The photography world was turned up-side-down, how could a No-Name person with little or no experance have done this, and many as myself felt he had not put in his DUES to have such an exibit.
I was wrong, and what I learned from that was that I have to re-invent my business constantly. I'm always looking for that edge, and YES, sometimes the romance of the shot is shaded by the material value of the end result... But I will say, as a cruiser, it helps support the bugget.
11-23-2007 06:06 PM
MiVelero halekai36 very nice work...

To me photography is a hobby, my equipment is two 4x5 cameras, 645af mamiya, 6x6 rollei 6008i, 3 cannon digital, pentax and yashica35mm and more, I even have a KIEV and a studio at home with darkroom.... and so far the only thing that has improved my photography is practice, those are only tools. They have made some tasks easier and in many cases peaked my creativity. And like any tool we need the right tool for the job ... and there is no way around that one. Wich is the right tool? The one that gets the job done right!

There are exceptions to every rule... like looking at your first photograph of a 4x5 negative, camera movements etc. Don't even get into the film vs digital debate....

So what is the difference between a pro photographer and amateurs like myself ...? We photograph for the sake of art and personal satisfaction, I photograph what I see, what I feel its me not what some one else wants or what sells.

Giulietta those are some very nice pictures ... now as RandyonR3 points out there are many ways to improve on the shots...but if you were to do that with a price tag in mind you would not have enjoyed that moment that memory and pride on your acomplishment, now recorded on a very creative shot (given the level of experience and equipment)

Now when I am done with my photographs, if someone wants to buy it, I will gladly sell it for $(if you have to ask you can't afford it.) Then also as is usually the case, I give them as gifts, decorate my walls, boat .... That is photography as art.

RandyonR3 you are correct in your point of view, but realize the big emphasis on the business end of it, the all mighty dollar dictates here. Many of the high end photographers are great business man first, good photographers (sometimes) second, that is how they become great photographers.


Xort Funny how people value/devalue their various possesions.
I guess we differ in what yardstick we use to measure value, mine certainly is not $$$$
What would you think if I came into your place of employment and told your boss "I will work for free, get rid of that halekai you are paying".:eek:

With all due repect, that is a lame argument. If pros feel threatened by amateurs then its time for reevaluation of their skills and or business plans.

Just my 2 cents
11-23-2007 09:57 AM
xort halekai
I need a new GPS. Mind if I stop by your unlocked boat and 'borrow' it?
Funny how people value/devalue their various possesions.

Galleries are offering you a showing! Let them do the printing & matting if you don't want to put in the extra effort. You could still make money.

What would you think if I came into your place of employment and told your boss "I will work for free, get rid of that halekai you are paying".
11-22-2007 09:50 PM
Maine Sail
My photos are not..

My photos are not for sale though and are for the sheer enjoyment of others. I am not a professional nor do I care to be. Photography is just another of my hobbies that I can blend with sailing and then offer to others as eye candy. I'm sure some of my pics have been stolen and some have been published in boating magazines (free of charge sorry) and many have asked me for permission to use them to which I usually say yes.

I would hate to be a pro right now especially with the mass influx of new "photogs" since the dawning of digital. I have been asked three times in the last four months by art galleries to do a "Maine Coast" showing but it's not what I do nor do I have time to deal with the printing, framing and work involved.

It's a hobby for me.....
11-22-2007 08:32 PM
RandyonR3 Another note on this potography thing and then I'll get off.. weather you know it or not, there are many people out there taking photos off the web, just as those that are posted, and add them to their workload.. You can be a fantastic Photographer on paper, with a great income from selling photos and dont even own a camera.. Hundreds of thousands of photos are posted on the internet everyday.. you just have to download them, be creative in photoshop, add a person or two and your photo just sold. your out of luck as someone else has just filed copywright on you photo..
And to let you know what they're worth.. I took a photo of 4 boats at anchor at shelter cove on the northwest coast of California.. It sold to one mag for 45 dollars, back page, small photo, not to interesting.. but the next month, the same photo sold to a realestate company for an advertisement for 1800.00.. That same photo has been sold 7 times and is still on the top of my list.....
11-22-2007 08:12 PM
RandyonR3 Giu
The photos of the foredeck are good...now imagine this, If you would have shot the same photo on the oppisit tack, you would have had basicly the same photo, but you would not have had any shadows on the sail. and if you waited until just before dark, you would have seen a golden glow on all the stainless..
Most great photographers stage the photos they shoot..
as an example, pictures of children sell great, women and men, so-so but family photos are worth their weight in gold..thats what sells.
So lets take the same photo, shot from the rear corner of the boat, you are at the helm, the kids are in the companionway and your wife is at the winch, the boat is healed over about 7 degrees and the sails are alive with the evening sun..... Now thats a picture that sells..
And you say, thats the same type of photo I see in the sailing Rags..
well now you understand...someone sold them that photo..
Boat photos are cool, but people photos sell.. Next time your out, take a shot of the crew at work....AND THATS A KEEPER.......
11-22-2007 07:59 PM
RandyonR3 Sailingdog
and you wont see any of my pictures on this site.. If any of my shots are good enough to show anyone, they're worth money, and why should I post photos on this site, to be able to be coppied, and sold somewhere else.. I'm under contract and all my photos are C/R.. The stockhouse has first opertunity, even to the point that my website had to come down.
This thread has more than 10 replies. Click here to review the whole thread.

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:00 PM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.