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08-08-2010 09:45 PM
neoxaero Poo is pretty nasty - I'm a fan of those incineration toilets.. No stinky mess to deal with and the left overs are pretty safe to handle.

I recall a buddy telling me about a diving trip he was on. He was a diving instructor for a resort in Mexico.

He was about 35-40ft deep with 4 or 5 new divers. He looked up and saw some lady swim overhead, pull her bottoms to the side and drop a deuce.

Wouldn't you know it - it was a sinker and headed straight down towards them..

Humorous in hindsight but I bet those new divers never went diving again!
08-08-2010 01:07 PM
MoonSailer Poo is good for oysters and crabs!!!! They love to eat ****!!!
08-08-2010 12:58 PM
ffiill Tow rag-Convicts being transported were refered to as tow rags by the ships crew for obvious reasons-also believe it or not the convicts as property of "his/her majesty" having been "detained at his/her majesties pleasure" were seen as a more valuable commodity than the ships crew-the same was I believe true on slave ships.Conditions of both passengers and crew on emigrant ships,usually totally overloaded converted slave ships were in fact far worse than on either slave or convict ships.
I was recently reading a book on the history of the Plimsol line(load mark).
There was one infamous vessel which sank I believe somewhere off the coast of Africa en route to Australia with loss of all lives.
At the Public enquiry a "lady" who had seen her husband off from the pilot boat remarked that the pilot had stepped down from the little pilot boat onto the ships deck so heavily was it overloaded.
08-08-2010 10:56 AM
Originally Posted by ffiill View Post
Seemingly it was common practise in bad weather just to go down in the bilges!Same I believe was true on men of war right through until Nelsons day.
It may have been common practice, but it wasn't sanctioned by the RN. Sailors were just too lazy, cold, whatever to go up on deck to use the head. On the larger ships, they sometimes had a private head off the captains cabin for his use alone. It was simply cantilevered over the side.

If you think we have problems with bilge odors now, can you imagine? The only redeeming feature of the wooden ships of the day was that they leaked terribly. This brought sea water into the bilge on a daily basis that had to be pumped out, at least providing some flushing of the bilge. I do that with fresh water once a season to keep the boat smelling fresh.

08-08-2010 04:28 AM
tdw ffiill........she was the Batavia.

Batavia (ship) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
08-07-2010 03:54 PM
catamariner THANK YOU, ffiill, I'll bet it was "tow rag" originally! You have wiped out (LOL) a long-standing puzzlement of mine, the 1864 etymology (of convicts and sock substitutes) being very unconvincing!

tow (plural tows)
1. An untwisted bundle of fibers such as cellulose acetate, flax, hemp or jute.
08-07-2010 03:39 PM
ffiill At least we bother to use toilets on board.
I was recently reading the book on Australian Marine Archeologists examination of Dutch East Indiaman which was wrecked of the coast of western Australia in the 17th century.They found that the bilges of the wreck were full of "s--t"
Seemingly it was common practise in bad weather just to go down in the bilges!Same I believe was true on men of war right through until Nelsons day.
The book is well worth a read-seemingly the survivors occupied two islands-the crew and the passengers. They raided each other and ate those they captured!
They were only rescued when the ships captain and several others sailed a small boat northwards along the west coast of Australia to the East Indies.
Any Australian readers who can remember name of ship?
On a lighter note Captain John Smith(Virginia Company etc) relates in his book on everything you need to know about sailing, how the first crew member spotted going to the beak head of the ship in the morning to use the toilet would be called a "layer"(dont ask-I havent a clue)-once spotted his job for the day would be to keep the chains supporting the bowsprit clean of s--t-not forgetting the "toe rag"-a piece of discarded rope with its unravelled end trailing in the water and used instead of toilet paper.!
08-05-2010 09:38 PM
CalebD This crappy thread sure has legs!
It is not just heavy rains that cause municipal sewage systems to discharge raw sewage into our waterways. Does anyone remember the north east US and Canada blackout about 6 years ago? There was a lot of conjecture as to the blame of how and why that happened but there was also no accountability to the way our local sewage plants operated during the blackout.
It was hot as it gets in NYC and the power grid went down. No spit (well, lots of spit) the NYC subway shut down and people walked home from work or lined up for ferries to get home to wherever. I took a boat home from NJ and walked with some co-workers to the Brooklyn Bridge and walked home to our apartment in lower Manhattan.
With no air conditioning my wife and I took a walk along the banks of the Hudson but after a block the smell of the effluent that had been dumped in the river forced us to retreat back toward home a few blocks away. I could see the crap floating on the river that came from either the huge sewage plant at 125th St or up in Yonkers as plain as day but most of all you could smell it.
My employer at the time seemed to have auxiliary generators as my workstation kept running but the municipal sewage plants did not? I don't know how many millions of gallons of sewage were dumped before the power came back on and I doubt anyone really knows for sure. All I do know is that the rules are a bit of a farce but break them only at your own risk as a boat owner lest you get caught. The municipalities get away with murder yet you could be fined for a number of violations if you do the same.
While it is true that in the Virgin Islands you are not required to keep a holding tank on board so many charter boats are set up for discharge overboard I prefer having the ability to choose not to. Using a head in a small harbor with limited flow is really a no-no.
At least some states have tried to provide adequate pump out stations for the boating public. New York seems to be pretty good but it would be ironic if my tanks contents had to travel through 20 miles of pipe just to end up in the same river I had kept it out of.
Composting is an interesting idea for sure. Harness the methane gas from the fermentation process for cooking fuel too. I kid you not, this has been done.
I also hear that the use of cannabis reduces some cancers. Hmm.
08-05-2010 09:06 PM
Originally Posted by TheRealBill View Post
Hey Knothead, great info ...thanks.

I seen those two units you made on another site. I have a ? for ya. You didn't use any kind of crank handle to churn up the poo a bit? Reason?

I am not trying to make the material compost in the bucket. Same reason there's no air vent.

Second, I didn't see any trap when you lift the lid you just can't avoid seeing the bucket of poo right?

No. When I lift the lid I see a pile of sawdust mixed with biochar.

The most important thing about a composting toilet is the cover material. When a "deposit" is left, it's covered with some sort of dry, biodegradable cover material. Coir (coconut fiber) is one of the best choices for a boat because it comes in compacted bricks. Peat moss or sawdust works just as well. I've even used leaf litter (the partially composted stuff that collects on forest floors) and dried grass clippings. It all works well.

The purpose of the cover material is to absorb moisture and stop odors. It also serves the purpose of visually hiding whatever it covers. air vent?

I am not composting in the bucket. The bucket serves as a container for about three weeks worth of "deposits" from one average size male. So I am not worried about providing air for the composting process.
However, in one of my experiments, I added earthworms and Soldier Fly larvae to the bucket before I started using it and they received enough air to thrive for the three weeks it took to fill the bucket.

Also, since fresh urine is sterile, why can't it just be tubed out...instead of jugged?
On a boat, I don't see any reason it couldn't be. I would probably just tee into the sink drain in the head.
In my garage, that wouldn't work so well and since both the boat unit and the garage unit share the same interchangeable bowl and seat. I can't do it on the boat either.

08-05-2010 08:42 PM
tdw Knothead....Link to the other site TheRealBill mentions ?
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