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12-27-2002 09:45 PM
halyardz
SW Florida Boat Choices/Advice

Dave,too bad you don''t like the Tartan 37, its a fine boat. We decided on a Tartan 33 with a 4''8" draft scheel keel for FL/Bahamas waters. The Pearson you like is also a good boat. Can''t comment about the Horizon or its build quality.
12-17-2002 07:50 AM
kaweeka
SW Florida Boat Choices/Advice

Since I started all this hullabaloo I thought I''d respond to several of the suggestions so far. I have looked into the Tartan 37 but found it more of a racer/cruiser tnan a cruiser/racer. It just doesn''t have the below deck "feel" i''m looking for. Thus the personal side of our choices. I saw an interesting boat on yachtworld today and wonder if anyone has any knowledge about this boat. It''s a Horizon 39. Great looking boat, classic lines, airy cabin with 12 opening brass ports. Incredible equipment and set up for cruising. Please let me know if any of you can enlighten me. Otherwise the Peasrson 365 still holds top-o-the-list position. It''s an exciting time...loking for the next boat. thank you all,
Dave
12-17-2002 06:12 AM
SailorMitch
SW Florida Boat Choices/Advice

Dave,

Some interesting boats have been mentioned so far, certainly enough to confuse the hell out of a prudent shopper. So I''ll add three more to the list. But first a disclaimer -- I own a Pearson, and as Duane said (but these are my words and not his) I can put you to sleep faster talking about Pearson''s than anything else. Frankly, for the money I think Pearson''s are hard to beat.

Three more to consider: Pearson 34, 36 and 37. By these, I mean the mid-late ''70''s to early ''80''s models of these boats, which should be in your price range.

The P-365 is a venerable design that people have sailed all over the place. Bill Shaw has said it''s one of his favorite designs. But, yes, it is slow. It needs a breeze to get going. Tons of room below though, and a very seakindly hull.
12-17-2002 04:33 AM
Jeff_H
SW Florida Boat Choices/Advice

The only problem that I have with that site is that almost all of his data is based on designs that are more than 20 years old and many which are over 50 years old. We have learned an enormous amount about the design of boats for comfort, seaworthiness and speed in the past twenty years and in my mind the actual numbers that come out of his ''fuzzy'' logic is only valid if you are into older designs. Unfortunately, many of the designs that he has chosen had artificially short waterline lengths. Since many of the popular ''non-dimensional'' ratios use waterline length as a factor in determining their output, the results within his tables tend to push the resultant output quite high.

Using an example that I have posted her before or two 38 footers which for all intensive purposes are identical (6 foot draft, 6500 lbs ballast, 15000 lb displacement, 685 sf of sail area) except that one has the typical waterline length of a boat designed in the late 1970''s,28 feet and the other has a more typical modern waterline length of 33 feet.

The 1970''s era boat would have the same SA/D ratio (but would have more drag and a lower hull speed) but more significantly the 1970''s boat would have a L/D of 305 compared to the more modern boat''s L/D of 186. The other misleading number is the so called Comfort Factor in which the 1970''s boat would have a CF of 27.42 compared to the more modern design''s 24.5. The reality is that, all other things being equal, the longer waterline and implied finer bow and shallower canoe body of the more modern design would result in a more comfortable motion (less rolly) and in more performance on all points of sail, seastates and wind ranges.

Jeff
12-16-2002 08:33 PM
gemstoneminer
SW Florida Boat Choices/Advice

I recently found www.johnsboatstuff.com. He
rates boats by "fuzzy logic". Pretty interesting and he tells what all the ratios mean. Lots of other technicle articles.
Don
12-16-2002 03:36 PM
garyp
SW Florida Boat Choices/Advice

Sorry for the double post. For some reason the hyphen didn''t translate: there should be a hyphen between image and ination in that address. Wish I wwwwwere as smart as a computer.
12-16-2002 03:29 PM
garyp
SW Florida Boat Choices/Advice

There is a website which offers motion comfort numbers on a boat for boat comparison basis, along with many other useful numbers including SA/D, D/LWL, LWL/B, capsize index, etc. Unfortunately draft and mast clearance are not noted, and altho many boats are cataloged (including more Herreshoff''s than you ever knew existed) some boats such as the Morgan 34 K/CB are not there.
Anyway, the site is: www.imageination.com/sailcalc.html.
Have fun looking
Gary
12-16-2002 03:28 PM
garyp
SW Florida Boat Choices/Advice

There is a website which offers motion comfort numbers om a boat for boat comparison basis, along with many other useful numbers including SA/D, D/LWL, LWL/B, capsize index, etc. Unfortunately draft and mast clearance are not noted, and altho many boats are cataloged (including more Herreshoff''s than you ever knew existed) some boats such as the Morgan 34 K/CB are not there.
Anyway, the site is: www.imageination.com/sailcalc.html.
Have fun looking
Gary
12-16-2002 04:56 AM
JohnDrake
SW Florida Boat Choices/Advice

I also use www.phrfne.org for PHRF

[and...years ago I had a Catalina 30...fine boat for what I wanted and could afford then..but it was dead slow...a PHRF of 180...I swore to myself I would never have another boat that slow :O)]

I think motion comfort is also an important consideration but as Jeff has mentioned many of the algorhythms online are not completely accurate. I did find them useful though but only in a vague general sense when comparing two otherwise similar boats.

One comment I do believe is accurate is one I found on Bill Deitrich''s (sp?) website. Steve Dashow is credited with stating, "Invest in waterline". LWL, in the gross terms can relate to speed and pitch stability...when comparing two otherwise similar boats.

Just my $0.02.

My best to all.

J
ps Jeff....we might be close to being neighbors...I am looking at properties in the annap area.
12-15-2002 06:01 PM
Jeff_H
SW Florida Boat Choices/Advice

There really isn''t a website that accurately address motion comfort, or stability. There are several surrogate formulas that look at these but they are so inaccurate as to be dangerously misleading. As to speed, the best place to judge relative speed would be to look at any one of a bunch of PHRF websites. My two favorites are PHRF NE <http://www.phrfne.org/baseh.htm>

and PHRF Long Island Sound <http://www.pipeline.com/~wayneb/phrflis.htm>

Jeff
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