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03-26-2009 01:44 PM
smackdaddy Caleb - dude - that was beautiful man. Seriously.

Nietzsche's a punk.
03-26-2009 01:25 AM
CalebD They were all smoking something Smacky, and had too much time on their hands. Immanuel Kant with his 'a priori' condition of our internal intuition postulates that we can only think in ways that we are pre-conditioned to. This explains a lot about the world of politics and even sailing.
Many say you should not sail a MacGregor 26' on the ocean yet it has been done. Robert Gainer crossed the Atlantic in his 20's on a nearly 25' sloop which was considered a daredevil feat by most but was just something he tried to do and succeeded.
One of the things I love about sailing is when there is almost nothing to do but monitor the sails, rigging, sea state and weather. It gives one a lot of time to think about how small we actually are and how by the grace of the elements we are slowly progressing across the surface of this vast globe. I guess that the globe seems a lot smaller to those who have been around it a few times: "Turn to starboard after Cape Horn and head NW for 2000 nm or so." Different minds and different mind sets = different strokes fo' different folks.
My only blue water experience gave me a few philosophical thoughts to ponder. Being trapped or free on a 51' sailboat with just one other person for 400 nm was enjoyable and our small microcosm of society did just fine for the 3+ days it took. Once back in the circus that is Miami airport with the throngs of our society flooding around me I missed the solitude and quiet of our little floating world where everything was dependable except the weather and even that had been pretty benign for our crossing from Tortola to the TCI, Provo. The hardest thing I found to deal with rationally was the loss of a horizon after dark on a nominal 3' ocean swell. The mast light hovered and moved like a UFO which I reasoned was not very likely but seemed quite apparently real. The noise of the boom as it tried to jibe against its preventer would produce a sound that to my ears was a short dog bark, yet we were over 100 nm from any shore with no dog on board. No, nighttime is the time when our imaginations can and do run riot over our mind and senses. Whether through an inner strength or if the hand of some higher power was in it I was able to reason through all of these seeming anomalies. There are many strange things that are out there that can either be 'the usual' to the experienced or 'mind bending' to the uninitiated.
The wonderful thing about being on a sailboat in decent weather is that you have some time to think about some of the conflicting signals your senses may be telling you and reason with your own demons.
Nietzsche may sneeze at this in his grave but I'd like to see him out there.
03-25-2009 11:59 PM
smackdaddy zAr - good point dude.

As far as I'm concerned...

Kierkegaard teed it up in 1835. Gabriel Marcel knocked it out of the park in 1943. And Sartre, Nietzsche, Heidegger, et al were just bummed out clowns. I don't think any of 'em sailed anyway....so scroom.

Back to my bong.
03-25-2009 11:30 PM
zAr If you ask me, just because something is philosophical doesn't mean it's off-topic in a sailing forum.

First off, sailing is a lifestyle, replete with existential choices about life and the living of it. The sailing life, some say, is about freedom, others say it's the opposite - it's about imprisoning oneself in a floating jail cell. Then there's the obvious question - why do we do it and what does it mean to each of us? Is sailing about getting in touch with nature, or about getting in touch with ourselves, getting closer to who we are or running away from who we are, finding our limits or self-imposing limits?

Or if you want to get into ethics and morality, is there such a thing on the ocean or is it everyone for themselves? Technically, it may be lawless, but somehow or other a lot of us wind up practicing some unwritten code of ethics, we live by it and we have an unspoken expectation that others follow it too - and usually they do. Heck, sailsmanship is a kind of ethics - it's about the right and wrong way to do things, or perhaps it's more of an etiquette, like whether the fork goes on the left or right.

And the sailing lifestyle can be said to be a shared world-view, shared intersubjective experiences. We are a community that understands some things others do not. We share a love for something which other communities do not.

Or how about topics such whether boats are works of art, capable of moving the soul, of uplifting numinosity of spirit, lines and symbols of symmetry and perfection, or merely practical tools more or less like a hammer or screwdriver.

Or how about sailing as the art or science of bringing order to the high chaos of the ocean? Man against nature? Or man alongside with and at one with nature? Man tempting fate, tempting the odds. Tiny humanity against powerful nature.

I could go on and on.
05-21-2008 12:33 AM
artbyjody
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Hoffa saw a picture of Jody...........need we say more!
Yep and its so fugly that even Giu can't touch it with photoshop (as a matter of fact I have it from good sources he tried and Adobe immediately revoked his photoshop license...and now that is the rest of the story of why Giu is on sabbatical)...

05-21-2008 12:07 AM
blt2ski Hoffa saw a picture of Jody...........need we say more!
05-20-2008 11:55 PM
artbyjody
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Where the hell IS Hoffa? Did someone scare him off?

I think Hoffa Lives elsewhere nowadays..
05-20-2008 08:28 PM
CharlieCobra Where the hell IS Hoffa? Did someone scare him off?
05-20-2008 06:11 PM
LarryandSusanMacDonald A British dude once told me, "You Americans are an odd lot. When you burp, you excuse yourselves. When you sneeze, everyone blesses you. And when you fart, you laugh like hell."
05-19-2008 03:00 PM
Boasun I tried reading the long posts, really I did. But I kept falling asleep. There is a moral there someplace... But if those posts weren't immoral, illegal or fattening, then there is a sleep factor involved that has a negative exponential to the attention keeping of a true sailor.
So it is enjoy life, while you can. Life is to short to fret over the small stuff and almost everything is small stuff.
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