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|12-05-2008 10:40 AM|
Liveaboard under attack by marina
Over here in Australia most if not all marinas payments are either by the month, quarterly, half yearly or yearly. As an incentive the greater the prepaid period paid for the greater the discount. In other words the greater the prepaid period the greater the level of reduced rate. Personally I have no problems with extended prepaid periods of marina payments.
However what is beginning to happen is that marinas reduce the number of smaller berths. Thus 10 meter berths are becoming harder to come by. As a consequence boat owners are finding themselves having to place their smaller boat in bigger births, and of course at greater cost. Coupled with the local councils and the port authority are dictating the number of liver-a-aboard allocations making things even harder.
|11-21-2008 10:55 AM|
A bit ironic given your signature... BTW, new owners ≠ higher fees if you have an existing contract.
Originally Posted by rayncyn51 View Post
|11-21-2008 10:29 AM|
|rayncyn51||Duuhhh.... "New owners = higher fees". Welcome to the free enterprise system.|
|10-23-2008 11:16 AM|
|ckgreenman||Well luckily there are a couple areas nearby where the city stepped in and passed ordinances disallowing clear cutting. My house was built on such land and the developers are only allowed to cut down enough trees to accomodate the house and modest front/back yards. Anything more and they are fined, HEAVILY!|
|10-23-2008 11:12 AM|
Originally Posted by ckgreenman View Post
|10-23-2008 10:43 AM|
Originally Posted by sailingdog View Post
|10-23-2008 10:30 AM|
Originally Posted by FarCry View Post
Perhaps you can work with them and come up with a payment schedule where you pay a bit extra each month until you're paying 3 months in advance. then just open a savings account and pay your monthly payments there and pay your payments into there. Then when the next payment is due, pay it out of that account.
|10-23-2008 10:22 AM|
Unfortunately, many communities are trying to limit the ability of boats to anchor out for extended periods of time. Just look at Florida... where mooring fields have filled in most of the decent anchorages, and laws have been passed in an attempt, currently failing, to limit the ability for people to anchor out elsewhere.
Prices for slips are going up because the number of available slips in many areas is falling due to the loss of marinas to waterfront development.
In many places a condo development in the place of a large marina is worth a lot more tax money to the local town/city government and there's a fair bit of money to be made by the developers doing so as well.
|10-23-2008 10:05 AM|
If more people started anchoring, I'll bet the capitolist system would start working it's magic !
Here in Central east coast florida there is a ballot init. to limit waterfront assessment to the actual use valuation instead of the Max use rating they currently use.
I doubt that will suddenly reduce any fees charged.
What is making marinas a bit more user friendly is the economy tanking. In the ponce inlet area Adventure Yacht Harbor changed ownership and policies concerning Liveaboards in initial anticipation of leveling the place and building and selling Megayacht slips.
Well, that plan changed when the building craze slowed here. So, now they are a "boat club" you join for a grand and use their collection of power boats for a monthly fee.
Initially the live aboards were rather upset and most scrambled to find another marina. A few sold there boats and moved ashore. And others still have there boats there but live ashore.
I cannot justify the expense of tying to a dock, as I also Maintain a house So, I anchor responsibly as do many others.
I check my boat daily and spend as much time aboard as life will allow.
I sailed the east coast all last year and loved it. I found many diverse situations for living aboard and as many different approaches and attitudes as well.
Like the rest of the world there seems to be alot of disdain and confusion when different approaches to life cross paths.
I was saddened to read the responses of many "Sailors" to the original Poster, but , unfortunately not suprised, the time I've spent here reading how many pre-judge others and make assumptions as to the motivations and lifestyles of their fellow sailors.
I find merrit in many of the views expressed, but don't necessrily agree with or favor them.
I see alot more available slips as the economy changes, and less ground breaking for waterfront construction. One old timer told me that's the way it goes, in cycles.
Incidently last year I spent the summer months in the fingerlakes area of NY and you could rent a slip for the season w/power and elect,etc. for $500 and $1100 would get you year round in or out ,quite a few year round live aboards .
|05-14-2008 02:52 PM|
|filup501||Mixmaster, I think you're taking these 'sailors' too seriously. They/we are, after all, sailors. A lot of friendly sarcasm may be thrown about, but I find it hard to believe that it is genuinely mean spirited.|
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