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12-05-2008 10:40 AM
weoftheboatpeople
Liveaboard under attack by marina

Over here in Australia most if not all marinas payments are either by the month, quarterly, half yearly or yearly. As an incentive the greater the prepaid period paid for the greater the discount. In other words the greater the prepaid period the greater the level of reduced rate. Personally I have no problems with extended prepaid periods of marina payments.

However what is beginning to happen is that marinas reduce the number of smaller berths. Thus 10 meter berths are becoming harder to come by. As a consequence boat owners are finding themselves having to place their smaller boat in bigger births, and of course at greater cost. Coupled with the local councils and the port authority are dictating the number of liver-a-aboard allocations making things even harder.
11-21-2008 10:55 AM
sailingdog A bit ironic given your signature... BTW, new owners ≠ higher fees if you have an existing contract.
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Duuhhh.... "New owners = higher fees". Welcome to the free enterprise system.
11-21-2008 10:29 AM
rayncyn51 Duuhhh.... "New owners = higher fees". Welcome to the free enterprise system.
10-23-2008 11:16 AM
ckgreenman Well luckily there are a couple areas nearby where the city stepped in and passed ordinances disallowing clear cutting. My house was built on such land and the developers are only allowed to cut down enough trees to accomodate the house and modest front/back yards. Anything more and they are fined, HEAVILY!
10-23-2008 11:12 AM
wind_magic
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Sad but true. That's the same reason wooded areas are disappearing around where we live. Developers don't care a bit about preserving the local ecology. It's cheaper (and probably faster) to clear cut everything, build, then plant a few paltry saplings.
Actually property taxes have a lot to do with that too. I know folks who have owned woodland and didn't use it for anything, they just held on to it for nature's sake, so the deer would have a place to wander around, and people could go camping occasionally. When property taxes around where I live went skyrocketing some of these people simply couldn't hold on to land that wasn't being used anymore, it was costing them too much, so they let it go to developers who of course promptly bulldozed it and built luxury homes with a view. From an economic perspective it's great, but not so great for the deer ...
10-23-2008 10:43 AM
ckgreenman
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In many places a condo development in the place of a large marina is worth a lot more tax money to the local town/city government and there's a fair bit of money to be made by the developers doing so as well.
Sad but true. That's the same reason wooded areas are disappearing around where we live. Developers don't care a bit about preserving the local ecology. It's cheaper (and probably faster) to clear cut everything, build, then plant a few paltry saplings.
10-23-2008 10:30 AM
ckgreenman
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Have you tried to talk with the new owners and see if they might be willing to work with you on a payment plan that is agreeable to both of you? Other than moving that might be your only option.
I know it can be daunting to suddenly be required to front a large sum up front when you're used to paying monthly. This happened to us the first time we refinanced our house but forgot to take the property taxes into account.

Perhaps you can work with them and come up with a payment schedule where you pay a bit extra each month until you're paying 3 months in advance. then just open a savings account and pay your monthly payments there and pay your payments into there. Then when the next payment is due, pay it out of that account.
10-23-2008 10:22 AM
sailingdog Unfortunately, many communities are trying to limit the ability of boats to anchor out for extended periods of time. Just look at Florida... where mooring fields have filled in most of the decent anchorages, and laws have been passed in an attempt, currently failing, to limit the ability for people to anchor out elsewhere.

Prices for slips are going up because the number of available slips in many areas is falling due to the loss of marinas to waterfront development.

In many places a condo development in the place of a large marina is worth a lot more tax money to the local town/city government and there's a fair bit of money to be made by the developers doing so as well.
10-23-2008 10:05 AM
joethecobbler If more people started anchoring, I'll bet the capitolist system would start working it's magic !
Here in Central east coast florida there is a ballot init. to limit waterfront assessment to the actual use valuation instead of the Max use rating they currently use.
I doubt that will suddenly reduce any fees charged.
What is making marinas a bit more user friendly is the economy tanking. In the ponce inlet area Adventure Yacht Harbor changed ownership and policies concerning Liveaboards in initial anticipation of leveling the place and building and selling Megayacht slips.
Well, that plan changed when the building craze slowed here. So, now they are a "boat club" you join for a grand and use their collection of power boats for a monthly fee.
Initially the live aboards were rather upset and most scrambled to find another marina. A few sold there boats and moved ashore. And others still have there boats there but live ashore.
I cannot justify the expense of tying to a dock, as I also Maintain a house So, I anchor responsibly as do many others.
I check my boat daily and spend as much time aboard as life will allow.
I sailed the east coast all last year and loved it. I found many diverse situations for living aboard and as many different approaches and attitudes as well.
Like the rest of the world there seems to be alot of disdain and confusion when different approaches to life cross paths.
I was saddened to read the responses of many "Sailors" to the original Poster, but , unfortunately not suprised, the time I've spent here reading how many pre-judge others and make assumptions as to the motivations and lifestyles of their fellow sailors.
I find merrit in many of the views expressed, but don't necessrily agree with or favor them.
I see alot more available slips as the economy changes, and less ground breaking for waterfront construction. One old timer told me that's the way it goes, in cycles.
Incidently last year I spent the summer months in the fingerlakes area of NY and you could rent a slip for the season w/power and elect,etc. for $500 and $1100 would get you year round in or out ,quite a few year round live aboards .
05-14-2008 02:52 PM
filup501 Mixmaster, I think you're taking these 'sailors' too seriously. They/we are, after all, sailors. A lot of friendly sarcasm may be thrown about, but I find it hard to believe that it is genuinely mean spirited.
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