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Topic Review (Newest First)
04-01-2008 06:04 PM
Cruisingdad Just saw this Jim... very nice. Always nice to share with the family.

Take care. Hope you are doing well.

- CD
04-01-2008 05:13 PM
sailingdog very nice.
03-30-2008 11:25 AM
camaraderie Hey Jim...great report. Savor these times with the family on board...that is what it is all about! Glad to see Southern Rival has worked out so well for you!!
03-30-2008 10:33 AM
JohnRPollard Jim,

Well done, all around! Thanks for the report.

Seeing the Rival 34 (so similar to her larger sisters) really evokes memories for me. That's a good boat you chose -- she'll take care of your family.
03-30-2008 03:31 AM
Jim H
Quote:
Originally Posted by LynW View Post
Good to see you made it happen! A great read, too, and pics. The Rival 34 is one of my favourite yacht designs, perfect for that kind of sailing.

Where next?
Our kids did great last week, but we don't want to push them too far too fast, so our next sailing trips with them will be overnights or multi-day trips around the Solent. We're looking forward to all the options-- Yarmouth, Chichester, Lymington. After that we'll go farther afield and do a trip around the Isle of Wight, then Poole, Weymouth, Plymouth, etc.

In May, my wife sails to the Channel Islands with the British Offshore group for a week. In June I do the same to Brittany for a week. I'm very glad we did the trips last week to tune us up for the week-long voyages. The general plan is to do a cross channel trip with our kids in summer 2009.

Thanks again for your post about passing Selsey Bill. As noted above, we passed on taking the Looe Channel because conditions were being pretty unpredictable, and passing south of the Owers simplified our trip planning.

As someone mentioned to us, if you can sail here we can sail just about anywhere...
03-29-2008 11:58 PM
LynW Good to see you made it happen! A great read, too, and pics. The Rival 34 is one of my favourite yacht designs, perfect for that kind of sailing.

Where next?
03-29-2008 05:17 PM
Cruiserwannabe Great read Jim,thanks for sharing
03-29-2008 03:06 PM
Jim H
Part III: Our trip to the Isle of Wight

Part III: Our trip to the Isle of Wight



On Thursday, we sailed to the Isle of Wight, and it was an exceptional March day. We left the slip about 9:30 a.m. with a bit of a scare, because the wind blew the stern off to port exiting the slip and I needed it to starboard to get out the fairway. I gassed the engine in reverse and pulled the stern back to starboard, but at that point the stern was cruising towards the boats across the fairway, and I needed a strong forward burst to halt progress and swing the bow, which I did and we cleared all with no problems, but the entire sequence was unexpected and seemed very high speed.

(I could write a full book chapter about how this boat spins like a pinwheel to starboard in reverse. I know that the rudder will bite at some speed in reverse-- two knots or so, but I haven't determined yet how much and how fast the bow will swing before reaching this magical speed and how wind conditions will affect the swing. Until then, I'd rather not practice in narrow marina fairways where hitting other boats at speed in reverse is a real option.)

Once my blood pressure dropped below 220, we were also out of the marina and sliding out the small boat channel of Portsmouth into the Solent. We headed out past buoy four and took the Swashway out toward the west, lining up the war memorial with a building behind as the recommended transit (and tracking things with the chart plotter as our second source of info).



Once out in the Solent proper, we had excellent sailing. Mostly sunny, 9-13 knots NW winds, and relatively open water. We did long tacks into the wind to work westward, reaching around 6.2 knots under sail, and the boat seemed perfectly happy with this amount of wind. We reached Cowes on the Isle of Wight sooner that we wanted, and did some extra sailing before dropping sails and motoring into Cowes and up the River Medina.



Entering Cowes and the River Medina. Looks like a sailing town, doesn't it?



Ellen MacArthur's B&Q (for sale).



After safely passing the chain ferry, we motored up river and got an excellent walk off dockside spot at the Folly Inn. We got there about 4 p.m., and it was sunny, clear and warm. We had happy hour on the boat, and then hiked up river to investigate another marina on the river. The weather was fantastic. On our return, we had a great dinner at the inn (best of the week), and then I did some night fishing with my son off the dock.







Obviously, this was too good to last, and at 3 a.m. the winds changed from 9-10 knots to 20 knots and then 30 knots. The river didn't have much of a swell, but the rigging of the boats were singing loud and the rain came down in sheets.

The next morning (Friday), stormy conditions continued. The weather station on the Solent (Bramblemet) showed F6-F8 conditions. The forecast for Saturday looked the same, and only Sunday looked a bit lighter. The rain was heavy, and it didn't look like we could go outside much. Also, the currents in the Solent suggested a start by 9-10 a.m. to help take us back to Gosport.

We had pretty much decided to have breakfast at the inn and spend another day at the Folly. During a full English breakfast, we talked with the Inn keepers and changed our minds. The weekend before, the weather was the same, and it stormed the full weekend. The swell grew in the river, boats sank at their moorings, and it was pretty much not a fun thing. The keepers recommended leaving immediately if we wanted to get back by boat this weekend, or risk being stuck there until Monday or Tuesday. (We needed to be back to work and school on Monday).

Thus, we went back to the boat and pulled out against the sustained 25 knots of S winds. The river was a pretty easy trip, with the tail wind carrying us North and out of Cowes. The rain was pelting down, and the whole family was in the cockpit with the companionway shut so the rain wouldn't pour in. As we passed out of Cowes, the swell and waves really picked up and the boat was tossed quite a bit. Right at that moment, an ongoing rescue of a sailboat with 6 people aboard was carried out on channel 16. They were washed up on rocks near a lighthouse, the hull was holed, a helicopter went out, and a lifeboat took them off. Nice and encouraging for us to hear going out into strong winds and waves.



We hugged the shoreline of the Isle of Wight for awhile, because it was blocking the wind and we didn't want the leeshore of the coast. The kids wouldn't allow us to put up a deeply reefed main to do some sailing, and we had a lot to think about just from the gusts to 30 knots and more. The highest gust I saw on our readout was 39.8 knots, so I guess this was our first gale.

At one point, visibility dropped to about a third of a mile, and sailboat came at us from the opposite direction. She was a nice, longer ketch, and she was sailing with only her main up, in the third reef, but she was still ripping along. As she passed, we saw she was Gipsy Moth IV, out for a cruise, and I cursed myself for not having a waterproof camera. We didn't take a single picture on this trip because of the driving, constant rain.

Things got rough with the swell and wind on our starboard quarter, but no one was afraid, and no one got seasick for a change. Maybe there is truth in the acclimation idea. (We had all taken Stugeron that morning, though). Even when we turned wind and swell to stern, the boat could corkscrew strongly, but we motored through without a problem, following a course from buoy to marker with the drenched chart plotter in limited visibility. There was shipping out, but we never got near the ships or ferries.

During the entire trip, I was more concerned about the landing at the marina than anything else. A 30 knot crosswind could make landing fun. We rolled into the entrance of Portsmouth with no problems, and finally the rain stopped and the winds weakened a bit. Approaching the slip, the winds were down to 15-20 knots, from the NW across our slip at a 45 degree angle, toward the boat beside us.

I put her into the slip fairly easily, and my wife stopped off with the line from the beam cleat. I stepped forward asking my daughter for the aft line, and when she tried to hand it to me it wouldn't reach, because it was only set to 8 feet and I needed at least 14 to go forward to the finger. That delay was almost a disaster, because my wife couldn't hold the boat from being blown sideways away from the finger.

I leapt to the finger without a line and helped my wife angle her line around a cleat on the finger for more leverage as the wind gusted against the boat, The stern still swung sideways toward the other boat, and I muscled it back straight. It took awhile to get other lines off to secure the boat, and it wasn't easy with the winds gusting back up to 20-25 during the process. In the end, she was tied off and nothing was touched was wasn't supposed to be, so I guess any landing you can walk away from is a good one, but I prefer boring ones. Next time, we'll confirm the length of all mooring lines before approaching the slip.

After that squalls came through that screamed in the rigging and all the boats in the marina were heeling over in their mooring lines. I took some video of it and might post it later. Strong stuff this English weather. We were told that it's typically later in April when the weather is more uniform and predictable.

In the end, I think we were lucky to gain the experiences we did-- the longer passage, the seasickness and then the lack of seasickness, the first time out in a gale, and the beautiful day of sailing. We all gained a lot of confidence in the boat, and I'm glad we have a sea-kindly vessel. She's not large below, and someday the kids won't fit in the V berth, but the smashing we took going to windward didn't phase us or the boat. (A larger, pristine boat we looked at had been repaired for cracking/ripping in the engine area after falling off a wave, and I doubt our boat will ever have that problem.)



Next sailing plans: a trip to Yarmouth, or maybe just some day sailing until the weather stabilizes so we don't get caught in a remote port again.

A full photo gallery is at

Spring Break 2008

That concludes the trip report. Fair winds!
03-29-2008 02:48 PM
Jim H
Part II: Rest days in Gosport/Portsmouth

Part II: Rest days in Gosport/Portsmouth

After the passage, we wanted at least one rest day, which unfortunately had much better weather than the day we sailed. On Tuesday, we explored the cities, and on Wednesday we planned to sail to the Isle of Wight to stay at the Folly Inn up the Medina River. When Wednesday came, however, it was terrible weather-- low winds and heavy rain, so we planned to pack up and leave on Thursday morning. Thursday morning was very nice, however, so we took off across the Solent then.

Here are some pics from our rest days at Gosport and Portsmouth. My son fished, my daughter got a new hat and shirt, the kids got to see the Spiderwick movie, and we had lunch at a great pub with outside seating at the historic Spice Island.



Doug goes fishing.



The "we didn't die" dinner aboard.



Lunch at Spice Island.



Our new marina.

See next post for part three. A full photo gallery is at
Spring Break 2008
03-29-2008 02:36 PM
Jim H
Spring Break 2008-- English Channel and Solent Sailing

My family and I had the last 9 days off for spring break, so it was time to do some sailing with Southern Rival, our Rival 34.

Part I of III--- The passage from Brighton to Gosport




For many reasons, we decided to move our boat from Brighton to Gosport for next year, and we wanted to do this before the end of March. Our plan was to do it last Thursday or Friday, but the weather was terrible-- F7-9 winds, rough seas, and rain.

Secondly, the passage was about 45 miles long, and involved going about 5 miles offshore into the English Channel to avoid the shallows off of Selsey Bill. There is a closer passage at the Looe Channel, but we were warned not to go there if it was rough because it is quite narrow. It also appeared that we wanted to do the passage in one shot, which meant about nine hours if we motored straight through, meaning we had to time the tides and currents and hit the “hours of light” correct to avoid a night entrance to Portsmouth/Gosport.

To top it off, about half of the family had got partially seasick even on the test sail and first sail out of Brighton on “smooth” seas with one meter swells, so we wondered what a nine hour passage might mean. We considered hiring a captain or sailing instructor for the passage, but talking with our RYA instructors we felt we had enough experience and planning abilities to do the trip.

So, we waited four days for a weather window. Finally, both Monday and Tuesday were forecast for F3-F4 NW winds (our direction, of course) and smooth seas. This was just after a very rough weekend with snow and sleet. The temperature forecast was for a high of 5-7 degrees Celsius, and a -2 low, before wind chill.

Close enough, we thought, thinking we could easily U turn back to Brighton if need be and wait another 1-3 weeks if need be. During the four day wait, we had plotted the course on a new and corrected paper chart, including tidal vectors for Monday, and plotted the way points for the course into our Garmin 276c chart plotter.

On Monday morning, we filled the 70 liter diesel tank and took off in partly sunny conditions, low wind and smooth seas. We all took Stugeron. We left around 9:30 am, with opposing currents for about 2 hours, followed by slack, followed by about five hours of favorable currents and then slack around our arrival at Portsmouth/Gosport.

As we motored offshore, the swell increased to about a meter, and then more, and the wind picked up from the NW, so we were plowing through swells, wind and current. By a third of the way, two of the family were “down” with mal de mer, but my nine year old daughter was with me and in excellent spirits, so we ran the show for the hardest parts of the trip together. At the farthest point off shore, we had gusts to 25 knots, swells to five feet, and the boat was rising and dropping with enough force to make the cabin sole panels bounce.



It was also just above freezing, and I was getting soaked with water over the rail. Other than my hands, I felt warm on the whole trip, but I was laughed at later for having dried salt deposits under one eye and my nostrils...

As we passed Selsey Bill and headed back toward shore we entered the Solent and things calmed down greatly. The Solent is protected from the channel by the Isle of Wight, and typically the sea conditions are F-2 compared to the channel (a F7 on the channel creates a sea state of F5 in the Solent, even if the wind is just as strong.)



My wife revived and joined the fun in the cockpit, and even my son came out to watch the historic forts go by as we passed the Nab channel and lined up for the small boat entrance into Portsmouth. Of course, it would be too easy just to motor in-- in the last 2 hours of the trip we got hit by two squalls out of Portsmouth. One hid the port entirely, and both carried winds to 28 knots and pelting rain. In the middle of the first, there was a distress call from a boat that had capsized in the mouth of Langstone Harbour, but we were too far away to give assistance to the people in the water. (Must have been very cold for them, but I believe all were picked up by other boats.)

We had a very triumphant and easy landing in a slip at Haslar's Marina, and our total passage time was nine hours as planned. We had 40 minutes of light left, and the currents had pushed us at over seven knots for much of the second half of the passage. We were starving, and had fish and chips down on the Gosport waterfront. Southern Rival had performed wonderfully, and none of the crew were scared during the trip.



In the back of my mind, I was thinking that having a heavier boat wasn't a bad idea in conditions like these. Our previous boat, a C&C 27 (Trapper 500), could have made the trip, but it would have been much bouncier and I would have been worried about the Atomic four engine handling the roughness of the passage.

See next post for part two. A full photo gallery is at

Spring Break 2008

 
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