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04-04-2008 02:23 PM
freddy4888 I own a Hunter cutter with the boomed staysail and love it. I use a yankee cut jib on a furler and a hank on staysail. Tacking my boat is so easy, the jib comes across the staysail stay with no problems what so ever and the self tacking stay sail only requires trimming a single sheet. After sailing my cutter rigged boat, I would never convert it to a sloop. The boat is so much more balanced than my old 30' sloop, plus the sail options it gives you is more versatile than a sloop.
04-04-2008 01:42 AM
Sailormann
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Yes Stan, the self-tending track on Bremer Speck, the left boat, is what I was referring to.

Here's another view . . . smaller size photo-hard left
Had this type of jib track on my Soling. Pretty good for trimming but needed three lines...
04-03-2008 09:33 PM
Valiente
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Originally Posted by btrayfors View Post
TDW,

What hasn't been mentioned is that a cutter can be tacked upwind with a short crew and without benefit of any sort of self-tending staysail.

To do this, merely sheet the staysail midships, using both sheets. This effectively takes it out of the equation and allows you to operate the vessel as a sloop.

You only need worry about the self-tending qualities when short-tacking anyway. When on longer tacks, sheet the staysail normally, just as you would any headsail.l
I agree with Bill's assessment. I have my staysail stay (fixed) going into the anchor well and my forestay with yankee jib going about four feet ahead of that on the bowsprit. I have very little problem getting the furling jib through this slot, and yet I happily carry the boomless staysail (which has sheet cars and tracks on the coach house top either side of the mast, with the sheets running aft to dedicated winches) at the ready for two situations: 1) when I want to create a slot of sorts at certain reaching angles (a full genoa is better for this, but I don't carry one at this point), and 2) when the wind pipes up and I want to roll up the jib entirely, but keep the main up. The staysail means I don't point well, but it does keep the boat going.

I've been out in 25-35 knots with unreefed staysail only and made 6 knots working to weather in eight foot seas...yet it was a dry (if pitching) ride.

I like the staysail and I like the options cutter-rig gives me. I think you should experiment (perhaps with friends and before the breakables come aboard) in different wind strengths to see exactly what the staysail does for stability and sail power before deciding one way or another what to do with that boom. My experience is that not a lot of sloop owners quite know what to do with it, and yet it's quickly becoming a favourite sail of mine to hoist in both light and heavy airs.
04-03-2008 01:43 PM
christyleigh TB, Yaaa..... so.... did you save it for me in case I change my mind
04-03-2008 01:28 PM
TrueBlue Yes Stan, the self-tending track on Bremer Speck, the left boat, is what I was referring to.

Here's another view . . . smaller size photo-hard left

04-03-2008 01:17 PM
christyleigh
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Originally Posted by TrueBlue View Post
Stan,
Are you familiar with the proprietary stainless steel staysail track commissioned on many Nauticats?
The 2 NC40's I rafted up with had 2 differnt flavors of stay sail arangements. One had a long boom over the forward hatch swiveled on - Edit - (after a closer look at my picture there seems to be a little post in back of the forestay) in a similar manner to a main with a standard looking track in back of the the forward hatch which looks like CharlieCobra's - at least from the picture. The other had no boom and a very strange looking SS structure with tubing as the attachment on each end at least 6" off the deck and it seemed to slope down to the center like a gently curved U - that must be the one ?

PhotoBucket would'nt upload my picture so we'll see what I get from stansail dot com Yup.... that's it way over in the lower left corner. Is that the one ?
04-03-2008 12:47 PM
CharlieCobra
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Originally Posted by christyleigh View Post
That may be a poor design but from what I have seen yours is the exception, not the rule. ALL IP's for example.... I think the Ailerons Hoyt setup also swings over the forward hatch. Basically every 30-40 foot stay-boom I've ever seen swings over the forward hatch - where else is it going to swing - unless your foredeck is Very Long. I'm not saying that makes them instant death traps but something to consider.
I think it's more to do with the design of my boat. My forward hatch is about 6" or so aft of the front of the house with the track just abaft the hatch. It's also on a topping lift that keeps it off the hatch as seen below.



I would imagine that if the mast collapsed forward, it might pin the boom over the hatch but in that case, you'd have more serious issues.
04-03-2008 12:14 PM
TrueBlue Stan,
Are you familiar with the proprietary stainless steel staysail track commissioned on many Nauticats? The design was actually very simple and unobtrusive.

Mine was removed and I would probably have removed the inner forestay as well, if we decided to keep the boat. Never really used a staysail and the extra forestay always got in the way when tacking the Genoa.
04-03-2008 11:47 AM
christyleigh
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Originally Posted by CharlieCobra View Post
That would be poor design for that to happen. My Staysail boom won't reach the forward hatch
That may be a poor design but from what I have seen yours is the exception, not the rule. ALL IP's for example.... I think the Ailerons Hoyt setup also swings over the forward hatch. Basically every 30-40 foot stay-boom I've ever seen swings over the forward hatch - where else is it going to swing - unless your foredeck is Very Long. I'm not saying that makes them instant death traps but something to consider.
04-03-2008 11:29 AM
Banshi I knew an older fella 90+ when I was young 13, who owned a 40+ foot yawl and he had a boom on his jib because he often sailed single handed. I remember him telling me this was the reason he converted it. He had actually converted the entire boat which was built in the 1920's from a gaff rig to the yawl configuration. I've forgotten how many people he told me it took to sail the boat in it's original configuration but it was MANY.
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