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|04-17-2008 07:32 AM|
There's always an exception to every rule... Joyon's one of them.
|04-17-2008 02:04 AM|
Originally Posted by sailingdog View Post
But so is Francis Joyon??
|04-17-2008 12:22 AM|
Aren't they french???
Originally Posted by wchevron View Post
|04-16-2008 11:53 PM|
|04-16-2008 07:49 PM|
i think cruising dad was talking about this backwards bunch.
|04-16-2008 06:00 PM|
Originally Posted by capttb View Post
hey, for every one that disappears ahead ( usually disappearing in a crowd of 3000 just like it ) theirs other 3000 just like it at the dock firing up the BBQ.
I'll take my classic old shoe anytime, anywhere
|04-16-2008 05:18 PM|
Originally Posted by tommyt View Post
It is the production boats that are succeeding in getting more people introduced to the sport of sailing, without them many folks simply cannot afford to try it or cannot get interested. Nowadays more boat purchases are made by two individuals, one of which (female) better like it or it won't be purchased. She favors interiors over exteriors. Many of the newer production boats (Hunter) specifically target this half of the decision process, hence the dock condos. It better be a boat she likes or you are not getting one.
|04-16-2008 05:04 PM|
All kidding aside. Boy, we are making quite a tangent to his thread and may should consider a different thread alltogether (though I think the original question was answered).
Here goes my take on the boating industry.
First, I agree with you on many points. But we are generalizing on makes and models... which differ considerably within the sailboat indisutry.
I will give you one example: The new flooring on Catalinas. My Catalina 380 had real teak, wood floors all the way through. I love teak and those floors are very expensive. But look at the new floors (on the upper end models... not the cheap ones... apples to apples). They have moved into a laminate "looks like teak" over MG plywood. Why? Cost? Sure... I bet that has something to do with it. If you have read any of my post on building the table, you know teak is outrageously expensive and will not be getting any cheaper anytime soon. However, Catalina did this for another reason: long term use and practicality. You see, when you custom make a teak/holly floor on top of your liner, every one of them is slightly different. WHat happens if you get a water stain, major scratch in shipping, or years or dents and scrapes that make you want to cover it up with a rug? Well, you can replace that piece. Just call up Catalina and tell them which one you need. On the old floors, they would very likely not line up (the lines). Also, they will weather and darken (as we all know). However, the new laminate does not easily dent, will not weather, and will always line up. There are advantages to some of the changes.
What I DO NOT like are these vaneer covered plywood things that are coming out of certain factories these days. I have seen some stuff that I would not expect in a trailor... much less a 200k boat. On that point, I whole heartedly agree with you. In my opinion, Catalina has tried to avoid much of this on most of their models. However, I have seen less cabinetry in its place. Others keep the same level of cabinetry but make it cheaper. I don't know which one is better - I guess the Catalina model. But I would love to pay more for a boat and get more cabinetry than less for less cabinetry.
A screw may not be expensive. But when you multiply it times hundreds or thousands, it just became a major cost. I think that is why you will always see a difference between the the major production builders and more custom builders. Some changes are good. Some changes are bad. But with the costs associated with Sailboats these days, it is a wonder they even turn a profit.
|04-16-2008 05:02 PM|
You really do have to understand.....the people buying Catalinas, Bene's, Hunters, Dufour, etc. really don't give a darn what you want to buy. They are buying what works for them! What works at the dock or sailing every day. What they can afford, or at least justify.
You buy yours....they buy theirs, and the market...no matter how crappy it is right now, goes on.
To the original poster, go to New and Used Yachts for Sale - YachtWorld.com and see all the pretty boats from 1950 to yesterday at noon. Take your choice.
|04-16-2008 04:43 PM|
Yes, multihull sailors are a backwards bunch...
Yup... a totally backwards bunch.
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