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06-04-2008 11:18 AM
TrueBlue
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Originally Posted by Stillraining View Post
running down the deck...yellow webbing...This is John Pollards boat...Isist this one of the coolest photos ever...I have it as my screen saver...gives me goose bumps every day..
Still,
For a while there I thought JRP may have bought a new boat and moved to the tropics. Or, he removed his PS's teak toerail capped bulwarks and replaced them with slotted aluminum . . . .

Have to agree with you though, it is a cool photo - who ever took it. But, it would be far less dramatic if the horizon was actually corrected to be horizontal.


06-04-2008 11:09 AM
JohnRPollard
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Originally Posted by BarryL View Post
Safety is always a good idea. However, I have never seen anyone actually wear a tether, and I have never seen a boat with jacklines. I must state that I am a fair weather sailer and occasional racer on other people's boats (OPB)....
BArry,

It's true I don't have jacklines rigged for the mostly protected coastal sailing we normally do. When weather is bad enough to need them, we duck in or don't go out in the first place. But I'm sailing with kids so we don't push the envelope much, and almost never at night. And only very rarely do I operate the boat solo. However, in past years in different sailing venues, I HAVE used them extensively, and when we did use them I would not have wanted to be without them.

Those of us from the Chesapeake, Long Island Sound, or coastal New England, Puget Sound, etc are used to relatively benign summer sailing conditions, occasionally punctuated by a big blow. But there are sailing venues where the wind blows much more consistently and forcefully than many of us are used to. In some locales (the Aegean with the Meltemi, Perth with the Fremantle Doctor, San Francisco Bay, etc) normal summer conditions are more like Force 5-7. In those conditions, many folks clip-in, day or night, in the cockpit as well as on deck.
06-04-2008 11:04 AM
zingaraiii Merlin:
Even if some charter boats doesn't have jacklines, if you have your own harness and tethers you can allways fix the tether to a strong point when reefing at the mast, or to a cleat at the bow while changing a sail.

Mine is allways in my sailing bag with foul weather gear, gloves, boots and inflatable life vest in any boat I sail.

I think that the harness is personal safety equipment and should go with the crew member and not with the boat.

Juan Josť
06-04-2008 10:42 AM
merlin2375 Thanks for the info, again! I have only seen very few boats with jacklines so I can see what BarryL is saying but I'd like to go on some longer trips with more nighttime and more heavy weather parts to them. I have also been caught in the rain, if you will, when the winds were really whipping and the weather went downhill quick. Harness is relatively inexpensive insurance I guess (assuming the boat has jack lines of course)

Does anyone know if charter boats are typically equipped with jacklines. I definitely see that in my near future.
06-04-2008 02:42 AM
tdw
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Originally Posted by Stillraining View Post
running down the deck...yellow webbing...This is John Pollards boat...Isist this one of the coolest photos ever...I have it as my screen saver...gives me goose bumps every day..
Totally agree. Very very cool indeed. Isn't it wonderful how different oceans are different colours. Stating the bleeding obvious I know, but it works for me.

Thanks for posting the pic SR, who ever it belongs to.
06-04-2008 01:25 AM
CalebD Not to echo SD's point about bowlines, we towed a Walker Bay inflatable dinghy 400 miles over the ocean with a makeshift bridle and a tow line with a bowline around the bridle. This worried me from the beginning but it decided to give out due to chafing just before we made our destination. Fortunately or not, I am a smoker and was in the cockpit when I noticed that we were towing a line and no dinghy. I alerted the skipper and we rescued the dinghy which was only about 500 yards astern by then.
The point is that the right connections should be used for their intended purposes. 'Ship does happen' and you had better be prepared than wondering what to do at the moment of failure. I also recommend checking out what happens in the shipping world at: Cargo Law - Countryman & McDaniel - 25 Right,LAX
Even the big boys with their motorized ships end up in trouble now and then. The same or worse fate can happen to us little guys even in 50+ boats (and my big boat is only 27'). If you can't hunt for the goods here is the latest post: 2008 Nightmare M/VNCL.Dream
Cruise liner anyone?
06-04-2008 12:52 AM
CalebD As a mostly coastal cruiser sailor I agree with BarryL but I just did a 400 nm passage on a 50' blue water boat from Tortola to Turks and Caicos Islands (Provo). Sailing all night is not exactly the coastal cruisers domain and we wore harnesses with tethers when just in the cockpit after sundown; we were also about 100 miles from land on the open ocean. I did not go forward of the cockpit at night but there were Jack Lines for doing so if it was necessary.
If you know you will always have somewhere to duck into for the night then harnesses etc. may be overkill for your planning. It is just nice to know what safety features are available and how to use them gives you some extra mental security. It all costs big boat bucks of course to rig up radar, life raft, Sat-phone or SSB radio, harnesses, tethers and lines. Hopefully you (and I) will never need them in our normal course of sailing. For blue water ventures of several days, they are undeniably required. Life is a little more precarious when you are that far from the nearest hospital or ship.
Staying near the coast is fine if that is what you mean to do. If you intend to go farther it is well worth considering some of the safety features you do not have.
06-04-2008 12:42 AM
sailingdog Barry-

If you're singlehanding, a PFD isn't going to cut it IMHO. You need to STAY ON THE BOAT. If you fall overboard, and there is no one around... chances are pretty good, at least up where I sail, that you'll be dead from Hypothermia before any one can rescue you.

Jacklines and tethers are also really good to use at night or in fog/rain, when spotting the MOB might be more difficult, even it is perfectly calm.

Yes, you say you carry a handheld VHF....but VHF batteries die, the units can get wet and fail, and where does that leave you???

BTW, most of the MOB accidents I've seen are in good weather... when people let their guard down. During storms, heavy weather, high winds, fog, or at night, people generally take more care to prevent themselves from falling overboard. A sunny day, when you are motoring out of your marina, with calm seas, is a very good time for you to fall overboard, since you're not on your guard to prevent it... after all, with calm seas and a sunny day, what could happen.


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Originally Posted by BarryL View Post
Hello,

Safety is always a good idea. However, I have never seen anyone actually wear a tether, and I have never seen a boat with jacklines. I must state that I am a fair weather sailer and occasional racer on other people's boats (OPB).

Do you plan on sailing on bad weather? Are you likely to be caught in bad weather? Do the boats you sail on have a secure place to connect a tether? If not, I don't think you need a tether, Of course, it's your money, but I think you may be getting a little ahead of the game.

On my boat, it's real unlikely that I would ever need a tether. On the boat I race on, I wear my PDF all the time, carry a handheld VHF and GPS. There are no tethers, so wearing a tether would not work. I haven't seen any of the other racers wear tethers either.

If I planned on long distance sailing I would invest in jacklines and tethers. Barring that, there are lots of other things I would spend my money on.

Good luck,
Barry
06-04-2008 12:32 AM
bubb2 sorry i was thinking of jack lines when i answered over 50 thing sorry
right again dog
06-04-2008 12:29 AM
sailingdog No reason you couldn't make your own tether. Use a snap shackle on the body end, and a double-action clip, like a Wichard or Gibb safety hook on the other end. Splice the shackle and hook to the tether..DO NOT USE BOWLINES TO MAKE A TETHER. Knots reduce the effective strength by as much as 80%, depending on the line and the type of knot.

The spliced eye should pass through the base of the cleat or padeye, and then have the bitter end passed through the eye... forming a larkshead knot out of the end of the eye.

The other end should be attached to a cleat using a normal cleat hitch and then the bitter end should be seized or whipped to the standing part to prevent the hitch from being undone.

If the bitter end is being attached to a padeye, you should probably tie a larkshead knot and then stitch the bitter end to the standing part, and then put a whipping over the stitching to protect it from abrasion.

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Originally Posted by rocinante33 View Post
more questions on tethers & jacklines;

Is there any reason why you couldn't make a tether yourself using the appropriate snap shackles and a good, high strength line with bowlines attaching the line to the shackles?

What is the best way to secure the end of the web jacklines to either a bow cleat or a padeye? The jackline I have has a spliced eye on one end, but nothing on the other.

P.S. Good thread!
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