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06-06-2008 12:28 AM
nolatom I mostly sail to teach, so I try to keep my lessons as simple as possible, since those are the easiest lessons to remember:

Always coil up the spaghetti you don't need (halyards) so it doesn't tangle with the spaghetti you do need (sheets).

Is that anal, or dogmatic, or boringly consistent, or whatever?

Yes, probably so. We all have our own style, I encourage students to develop their own style once they've learned the basics. Until then, they can learn my style, or that of whichever other instructor...
06-05-2008 11:53 PM
djodenda I try and get my guests/crew to do as much as they are able/willing to do. Unless it's absolutely critical, or safety related, close is good enough. Sure it's mildly annoying when things aren't done the way I would, but I don't sweat it.

It's more important to me to share the joy of sailing and working on a sailboat.

Generally, I enjoy this more than sailing myself.

If conditions are right, they park the boat as well.

So, no... when it comes to sailing, I'm not anal.

But, when it comes to my work... That's another thing!
06-05-2008 09:25 PM
tommyt When they are on my boat, they coil lines the way that I want them coiled. Stow things the way I want them stowed. Period. Is that anal, I really don't care.

I think that Billyruffin hit it on the head. You do it your way on your boat, and ASK them how they want it done on theirs. I have had people decide how they wanted to coil and loop lines and had to make an extra circle before I could use them.

I particularly like getting to the boat after someone has secured your fenders so well to the lifelines that it takes an hour to untie the knot. My way takes seconds and it is not going anywhere.

Where I disagree is that all powerboaters are bad and sailors good. I started, and still am, a powerboater as well as sailor. I secure the powerboat, which is much smaller, the same as I do the sailboat. My tube and water ski lines are coiled so they can be released and not end in tangles. I am the same on the powerboat as on the sailboat. My slipmate is very ship shape with his SeaRay. The other side is horrible with his powerboat, and across the dock the sailboat is the least shipshape of anything in the marina.

So, yes, I probably am anal. But, when the **** hits the fan I know where it is and how it is secured. You all know that there are certain realities in the boating world.

Sailors = Cheap
SeaRay owners=xxx
I have both and I must be anal. Anybody want to venture a guess what I am? Careful, you don't know which of me will respond!
06-05-2008 09:10 PM
Originally Posted by TrueBlue View Post
My wife thinks so - especially with my preference for properly making up all unused running rigging lines and neatly coiling excess deck & docklines.

Although, our puppy never complained . . .

TB- That is a cool heaving handle/harness you put on the dog!

I'm not particularly anal about lines on the boat while sailing so long as they are functional in the way they are made up. However I will double check or redo dock lines everytime. The boat is my responsibility as the skipper and I make sure it is handled in a way I am at least comfortable with. When leaving the boat I just like to make sure she is put to bed in a way that makes her look good to the casual eye of passers by.
06-05-2008 08:51 PM
Valiente There's more anal in this thread than at Socrates' kegger.

But it is true that sailors generally have to have things "just so", because the consequences of not finding a "right way" (even if there are several "right ways") can lead to damage, injury or even danger. Stopper knots keep sheets from running out the blocks: the consequences of not doing that can be a fouled prop or a lee sheet that's missing in action when you have started coming about.

Part of this, I am sure, is the incredible variety in yachts. Every model seems to have its own little ways, and a lot of older boats have been heavily customized to the point where it is not immediately apparent what item does what job. Alex's boat, for instance, is very logical in its running rigging, but it has about twice as many control lines (all leading back to the cockpit) as most boats I'm used to , and so it is best to ask which line is which, or more importantly, "what is the colour code?" Once you know that code, however, it is as easy as any other 40 footer to sail.

I am very particular about engine care, winterizing and doing things in the right order. When I loaned my old 33 footer out, I insisted that the person taking care of the boat emulate my procedure: 1) Hang key on gear level inside engine box; 2) Open sea ****, 3) Open fuel ****, 4) Prime fuel bowl lever, 5) Run blower 4 minutes, 6) Pull choke full out and advance throttle, 7) Turn ignition key, 8) Put choke to half and reduce speed, 9) After a minute, put choke fully in and leave when ready.

I'm sure there are only a few variations on this, but I destroyed my first Atomic 4 by forgetting to open the seacock, and I rebuilt the current one and adjusted the carb and the distributor for fairly lean operation. Do it my way and the engine will run flawlessly and will start every time. Do it another way and it won't. I spent two hours "dewinterizing" this engine and the worth of that is that it fired up instantly in April after about the worst winter in 20 years. There might be a better way, but I don't know it and this way works.

Sound familiar, fellow skippers? You should see my fancy tacks!
06-05-2008 08:44 PM
fullkeel7 ANAL? I'm not sure if doing things a certain way on your boat that work well as time savers, making tasks easier or making the sailing environment safer constitutes the lable or not. I suspect if there are three sailors doing the same task, there's three different ways of doing it.

I do know if a sailor does a chore that is normally preformed by his wife, even if she's not on board....he is STILL WRONG!

06-05-2008 08:08 PM
Type A personality

I'm not anal because I sail, I sail because I'm anal. What other sport has two competitors on an 18 mile course finishing within 15 secs after 2 hours. Where the difference between winning and losing is less than a degree of pointing or tacking 15 secs behind or ahead of a windshift? Now granted I do not race (as of yet ). But the perfection that can be found in simplicity is what drew me to sailing...Yes I am a reformed powerboater.
06-05-2008 07:38 PM
CharlieCobra Nothing I hate worse than going to the pointy end to rig a stay or make a sail change, only to find that someone has screwed everything up and I have to spend more time in a saltwater shower equipped elevator on steroids because of it. It really chaps my ass. Hence, I check everything these days, from the lay of the lines to how they're secured off.
06-05-2008 06:41 PM
billyruffn I'm anal and I ask that those who sail w/ me do things my way. When I sail with others, I do it their way. Reason: it everyone on board does things the same way you know what to expect. When it's dark and scary on the foredeck you really don't want to be figuring out how the last guy coiled/cleated/stowed the main haulyard. When you're stressed "patterns" of how you do things rule. Always do things the same way and the "patterns" will be your friend, not a source of confusion.
06-05-2008 06:33 PM
tweitz Once or twice a season I go fishing on my friend's 32 foot sportfisherman. I have a great time, he is an absolute expert on fishing, but I cringe and shut up when I look at the seamanship. The dock lines are always the first thing that make me look askance, but its pretty much everything. I think the big reason is that he regard his boat as nothing more than transportation to his fishing spots, whereas I regard the sailing as the purpose. The difference is philosophical. I reagrd the point as the journey, he regards it as the destination. Because we are so focused on the journey -- and it does take longer -- we try to make sure everything is just so. So I guess we are all a little anal.
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