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09-08-2003 07:31 AM
lauralee
Lauralee: Here''''s your fix.

Well, first I want to say thanks to everyone for the ideas. This weekend I bled the injector lines using AJS''s directions. Did that three times just in case. (Thanks). I also tried the footpump process using VIEXILE''s method. Actually, that was very easy to do as long as you have someone to pump. That process also proved to me that the air vent line is clear as I watched some dust puff out of the vent. (Thanks again!)

However, the engine still dies. I found the fuel tank fittings to be clear. But now I am going to open the tank up and check the fuel pickup line.

If anyone has other ideas please let me know.

09-04-2003 11:09 AM
AJS
Lauralee: Here''''s your fix.

There WILL come a time when you''ll have to bleed the injector lines. Doing it from the low pressure side simply won''t work.
If air gets into these lines the only way to get it out is to bleed them. You can''t force it throught the injectors with any kind of air pump.
Of course, its nice to just keep the air out of these lines in the first place.
AJS
09-04-2003 07:22 AM
VIEXILE
Lauralee: Here''''s your fix.

I LIKE that one. When I rationalized the foot pump, it''s all I had available. With the hand pump, I can lean over the engine and close both screws without any help. Kewl.
09-03-2003 08:59 AM
h37skipper
Lauralee: Here''''s your fix.

Still too hard. I use a 3 gal. Tempo tank with the outboard engine connector cut off. I remove the inlet hose to the Racor filter and clamp on the tank hose. A few squeezes of the hose bulb and she starts right up, no bleeding necessary. Now reconnect the fuel line to the Racor and she will start and run. If you have locker space the Tempo is nice insurance if(when) you have fuel problems.
09-03-2003 08:20 AM
fourknots
Lauralee: Here''''s your fix.

AJS is right. I owned an MD2B for years, and after every fuel filter change, that''s what I did.

I you have a hand start crank (and you need one, since one of the beauties of these engines is their ability to start by hand) you can use that to bleed if you''re not comfortable with the starter. Just make sure you tighten the injector BEFORE you stop cranking or else air may get back in the system.

If the engine starts, but quits, bleed it again - sometimes you don''t get all the air out. if it still quits, you may have a leak letting air into the system. If you bleed it again and there''s more air bubbles, it''s probably a leak.
09-02-2003 03:10 PM
VIEXILE
Lauralee: Here''''s your fix.

Like I said, it''s worked every year, and all the system voids get filled without putting fuel all over the engine. Haven''t cracked the lines yet except to put new tips on the injectors. That''s what the two bleed screws on the back of the engine are for. Nothing in the manual about cracking the injector lines, although the manual perceives someone turning over the engine, which, given the foregoing flywheel warning, and it IS a beast of a flywheel, ain''t my idea of a good time when you''re hanging over it trying to reach the bleed screws. Can''t see much complicated about pumping a foot pump and closing two screws. I''d hate to think about loosening injector lines and retightening them while drifting around when I''ve got a quick fix that doesn''t require turning the engine over. I HAVE cracked the injectors on other motors, Perkins, Yanmar, but simply pressurizing this one and using the bleed screws seems to work just fine. Matter of fact, I just fired the thing in Maine after 2 years on hard prepping it for transport down to the Carib. 1 shot of pumping and bleeding and she purred like a . . . well, not a kitten anyway. KW
09-02-2003 06:22 AM
AJS
Lauralee: Here''''s your fix.

For God''s sake people! Of course you have to bleed the injector lines, and no, the lift pump will not do it, its not meant to. It only supplies fuel to the injector pump so that it can then pump fuel at very high pressure and low volume through the injector lines to the injectors, where the pressure overcomes the spring in the injector and fuel mist is squirted into the combustion chamber. This is why the injector lines are made of steel.
To bleed: first bleed the low pressure side of the system using the lift pump or the incredibly complicated and unnecessary method described above. Once you have clear fuel with no bubbles flowing to the injector pump, crack the fitting on the end of one injector line at the injector and crank the engine with the decompression lever pulled so that it will roll over easily and not start, make sure the thottle is on a little. Roll the engine over until you see little squirts of fuel coming out of the fitting. Tighted the fitting while the engine is still rolling over. Now do the other injector. Engine should now start and run. Rolling the engine over is the only way to make the injector pump operate and push clear fuel through the line. If there is air this line the air compresses instead of the injector spring and exactly nothing happens. It sounds like you''ve missed this last crucial step. This is very common and must be done to every diesel I''ve ever seen that has been run out of fuel. I can''t believe it hasn''t been mentioned already.
Be careful not to get tangled up in the flywheel or other rotating parts while doing this.
Also, if you find that the lift pump is barely working when pumping by hand, rotate the engine a little and try again. The lift pump is operating by a rotating cam. If the node on the cam has the lift pump fully compressed then it won''t work when you try pumping by hand. Rotating the flywheel a partial turn will remedy this.

ajs
09-01-2003 05:40 PM
lauralee
Lauralee: Here''''s your fix.

Viexile,

Thanks! I like the sound of this procedure. I haven''t been comfortable that I was getting all the air out of the lines, but I didn''t know what more to try. I will try it out this weekend. I really appreciate you taking the time to write this out. I''ll let you know how it turns out.

09-01-2003 09:00 AM
VIEXILE
Lauralee: Here''''s your fix.

Now if that damn Hurricane Fabian would turn north like they "say" it''s going to. 400 miles away. Time to head for KMart. KW
09-01-2003 08:53 AM
VIEXILE
Lauralee: Here''''s your fix.

Oh yeah. Sometimes it doesn''t take on the first try. Go back, repump, rebleed (no air bubbles, clear diesel running out of the screws) and do it again. Seems as though I''ve had to try it up to three times in the past to get it to take. Sitting over the winter, the fuel must drain to low points somewhat, introducing air into the system. The trick is clear fuel only from the bleed screws. Another thing I do is NEVER leave the dock, anchor, or mooring without running the engine up for at least 3 or 4 minutes - just in case. It only happened once that it cut out, but there were 25 or 30 Hinckleys all around me in SW Harbor and it was blowing. Bad scene, but foot pump and bleed screws fixed it in record time. KW
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