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Topic Review (Newest First)
02-09-2011 10:51 AM
sailordave
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Originally Posted by GaryHLucas View Post
The next year I sold it, so we could buy a house. The new owner called me 8 years later becuase he suddenly had water in the bilge for the first time. It turned out the heavy rubber padding I put under the stainless plates carrying the bolt loads had dry rotted! He replaced them and sailed the boat form NJ to Florida offshore again.

Gary H. Lucas
Should have used some of MAINESAIL's Butyl bedding!
02-06-2011 04:00 PM
txsailor2 In case you're interested, the Animal Planet series "I Shouldn't Be Alive" will be airing an episode focused on the survival and rescue of the Cynthia Woods crew. The episode Ocean Disaster will air on Animal Planet Wednesday, 9 Feb at 10PM EST.

It will probably be one of their "over-dramatized docu-dramas", but it could be interesting. I'm wondering why they incorrectly show the boat's name as Cynthia Rose instead of Cynthia Woods. Maybe Texas A&M threw a fit over using the real name? Or it's an APL mistake?

Episode Guide : I Shouldn't Be Alive : Animal Planet
01-23-2010 10:42 PM
GaryHLucas Hunter 27, 1976-1978 at least. Damn near guaranteed that the keel will fall off some day. How do I know? Because my 6 year old 1976 Hunter 27 tried to leave the keel on my trailer when they lifted it to set the boat in the water! That's when I discovered that the designer had TCDA (Terminal Case of Dumb Ass). The hull design was so poor it had to fail.

3 five gallon buckets of ground up fiberglass, cutting out the entire floor, removing all the stringers from the entire bottom of the boat, and 5 gallons of epoxy resin and I fixed it myself. The next year I sold it, so we could buy a house. The new owner called me 8 years later becuase he suddenly had water in the bilge for the first time. It turned out the heavy rubber padding I put under the stainless plates carrying the bolt loads had dry rotted! He replaced them and sailed the boat form NJ to Florida offshore again.

Gary H. Lucas
01-22-2010 07:51 AM
sailingdog It is because of this article that I'm actually helping re-bed a keel after dropping it for inspection last winter. We won't be re-bedding the keel until the weather warms a bit more though.

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Ran across this earlier tonight...thought this was interesting...didn't get alot of coverage because there were fortunately no fatalities...this time...

BTW- there's some pretty scary pics here.....in terms of laminate thickness

O'Day 302 Loses Keel - Check Yours!! - SailboatOwners.com
01-22-2010 04:01 AM
souljour2000 Ran across this earlier tonight...thought this was interesting...didn't get alot of coverage because there were fortunately no fatalities...this time...

BTW- there's some pretty scary pics here.....in terms of laminate thickness

O'Day 302 Loses Keel - Check Yours!! - SailboatOwners.com
01-04-2010 04:53 PM
SecondWindNC Wow tommays, a little too close to lunchtime for those pics! Yikes.
01-04-2010 04:51 PM
tommays I would not have put then in but the boat was a current "state of the art" race boat build and the hull looks so much like the C/W failure
01-04-2010 04:44 PM
JohnRPollard I wouldn't want this thread to sidetrack too much off the Cynthia Woods investigation, but the J133 lost keel is an interesting discussion point.

Yes, there are clear performance benefits to these high aspect keel designs, and likely the attachment is engineered to more than withstand sailing conditions. But it really does illustrate how such a small footprint for the keel attachment leaves the boat vulnerable in a grounding where forces can far exceed anything experienced while sailing.

Also, looking at those photos, do I see a keel bolt (or two) that remained in place on the hull? I.e., was it pulled out of the keel casting?
01-04-2010 04:11 PM
tommays


Seems to have happened in two steps grounding and lost keel and then beaten up by the bad luck of coming to shore on top of a seawall
01-04-2010 03:56 PM
blt2ski I was wondering when someone would post pics of the J133 that went ashore new years eve day IIRC.

No matter how you slice it, going aground is not good. Loki went aground a yr or two ago in Italy, only to be renamed to a new boat. Altho the reason was as lost rudder, not keel related.

Marty
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