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|09-02-2008 05:10 PM|
|skyellab||In the very back of the boat is an area for a life raft and it has doors. Some racks could be mounted there without too much problem to hold your tanks. I have the new 46 but it is not too different from the 49. There is also a few lockers in the cockpit area under the seats that tanks could be stored no problem. The floor boards down below are inches high.|
|09-02-2008 04:35 PM|
How are the bilges?
Originally Posted by skyellab View Post
The Finot designed Beneteau 411, which was contemporary to my 461, has only a few inches of space under the floorboards between the grid stringers. Just incredibly different.
I've chartered Berret-Racapeau designed Beneteau Cyclades 50.4s (relabelled as Moorings 51.5), and they have caverns under the floorboards. Multiple cases of wine were fit below floorboards even in the forward cabins on a Cyclades 50.4, and under at least one salon floorboard, there was enough space for a small crewmember to hide as a practical joke.
skyellab, how are the spaces under the floorboards in the 46/49 (not sure which one you have)? Are there any long and deep enough for a scuba tank? Any deep enough for a case of wine? Any spacious enough for a few cases of beer? (just trying to use common objects for a size reference).
|07-07-2008 11:36 PM|
|paulk||Rather than focus on the results of the B36.7 that did well in their class in one of the calmest Newport-Bermuda Races I've been on, I would suggest carefully following up on what happened to the rudder of the Beneteau 40-something from Annapolis that didn't make it to Newport for the start. IMHO, scantlings on Beneteaux have never been their strong suit.|
|07-07-2008 05:22 PM|
Dan - I understand the reservations on the shoal draft. I know the Bene's sold in Texas are all shoal draft. I didn't realize you had that same issue in the Atlantic and Bahamas. As was mentioned, given the relatively deep rudders, I would ask the builder about the hobby horsing probability.
I wouldn't budge on the main. Instead, I'd take that as a negotiation tactic to the salesman. There's no way a standard mast/main should cost more than a furling main. They are just selling what the masses are ordering, and don't want to be bothered by having to shift into a different order and rigging process. Nonsense. Just tell the salesman you'll walk if you don't get it for atleast the same price. I'll bet big bucks he'll cave!
I had Quantum build me a stack pack, which allows you to literally blow off the halyard. The main (assuming in irons) will simply drop right into the bag. It's a great system. Don't worry about hoisting it. That's why you have electric winches
Lastly, again I am not sure of all the differences between the 473 and 49, so i can only comment that mine does not bash. Skyellab would be a better judge of that, as his 46 is likely much more similar than my 473. In any case, here's a pic of my bottom before her last bottom job. (I had the ablative all taken off so I could start anew).
|07-07-2008 05:02 PM|
It is not a flat bottomed boat.
I never really thought about it but from thinking back it just knifes through any big waves I have been in. No pounding. I don't think you would want to take on waves from the side.
|07-07-2008 05:00 PM|
Originally Posted by camaraderie View Post
2. I would look at the DS's, but the Admiral doesn't like the aesthetic at all. Plus, she's a bit vertically challenged, and I think she would have no chance at all to see what's going on at the bow when she's at the helm, and I could just see her running me down if I fall off the bow while anchoring . . .
As I'm sure every poster on this board knows, these things tend to take on a life of their own. I have a dealer preparing a quote for me now, including one for taking our Freedom in on a trade. We'll see what happens, but I suspect that if the deal is right, and if we like her after a sea trial, we may just do this (yikes!).
|07-07-2008 04:56 PM|
Originally Posted by skyellab View Post
|07-07-2008 03:49 PM|
TJK really wants an Amel SuperMaramu.
|07-07-2008 03:31 PM|
We just could not get past the aesthetics of the new line of Benies.
We have been on board at couple of different shows and we did not find them to be particularly appealing. I know, beauty is in the mind of the beholder. Some find them to be good looking boats, but they are not for my taste.
The curvy "Cats Eye" ports I just cant get past and the interior is to modern and cold for me. Just an opinion on the looks of the boats nothing more.
|07-07-2008 02:34 PM|
Originally Posted by danielgoldberg View Post
I cannot comment on the original question of the Bene - but I can give some thoughts on the inmast versus traditional on a production boat.
My wife is generally with the kids down below too. That means singlhanding most of the time. I think you are in a very similar position.
On our other boat, (a Catalina 380) we had a traditional main. We enjoy getting out and sailing, but I ran the jib significantly more than the main because it was a bear to raise it and depending on the sea state, generally took two people. However, I really like the performance of the main. On the other hand, I ALWAYS had to go to the mast to drop in a reef. That verged on dangerous depending on the conditions.
My wife REALLY wanted the inmast but I was not convinced - but that is what we have on the 400. You really will lose some power with the in mast. For those used to batteneted mains, it will really be noticed. HOWEVER - I can pull out the main in 20+ effortlessly. I have an electric winch that basically NEVER gets used. When sailing, I am more likely to pull out the main over the jib since it requires less attention when tacking. When I see a storm rolling in, I (by myself) can pull in the main (with no electric winch and 99% of the time with no winch at all).
If you are the type of sailor that does a lot of long distance, I can definitely see where a inmast would be a big negative. Why? Because you often raise it once, set your sails, then off you go for a relatively long time. If you are the type of sailor that will go out for sails by yourself, lots of weekending and singlehanding, I think an inmast will really appeal to you.
I have heard many people say that offshore captains don't like them because they could jam, etc.... but mine has never jammed. HOWEVER - there are tricks to pulling it in that are a bit different from a battened main. Screw it up - and you might jam it. I wonder how many of those captains were REALLY familiar with inmast? My guess is that they treated inmast like a standard main and it is a bit different in how you reef it.
Bottom line - I bet if you get an inmast you will use the main much more becuase "raising it/lowering it" it close to effortless. I went out on mom and pops Tayana 42 and helped them raise the main again. After my arms fell off and being fed a lot of oxygen, it reminded me how much I enjoy the inmast. But it does have its compromises.
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