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06-13-2010 02:03 PM
sailingdeac Looking again at the Admiral's request for a "stiff boat", I would suspect "fast" is not part of the need. since Ericson really never was into making slow Ericons, I doubt the 38 would fill the bill, but I have never sailed one either.
06-13-2010 02:00 PM
sailingdeac IMHO, if you want a fast boat, you will have to accept more heel - with the same sails - than you get with a slow boat. There are of course exceptions. Until you have experienced both types you really cant make a fair judgment of which you prefer. If you want no heel, get a catamaran. The issue is what sails do you want to use and at what wind speeds do you reef or furl. In my aging situation, I use a 100% blade and usually sail only and add the main for cruising. (A 110-130 work) Just let the main luff if the winds build. My E34 will sail just about as fast in 8-20 knots as with a 140 with reasonable heeling. Only during the light winds part of the year do I use the 140.

I expect the sail area to displacement of the 38 vs the 34/35/32 would indicate it is less tender.
07-31-2009 11:51 PM
jephotog I've been racing an Ericson 38 this summer and been caught out in a few blows. Keep in mind this boat has been rigged to race, but is also a family vacation home. I would not call this boat tender by any means. Of course i learned to race on a KIWI 35 a similar lengthed boat that weighed around 3000lbs. We never had to do anything other than put up a smaller headsail. I guess we have been in winds 30+. My guess a good point to reef the main, if not racing would be around 20+knots.

I would love to own this boat.
09-29-2008 01:03 PM
rwcat Ericsons come with tall/standard mast heights and have more than one keel configuration (at least that's what I recall) Taller masts were preferred in areas of calmer wind conditions, e.g. Southern California vesus San Francisco Bay sailing. I think the Ericson 38 is a capable boat for coastwise sailing and can also for occasional bluewater passages. I wouldn't select it for a circumnavigation...but I'm sure it could. Google Ericson 38's ...I'm sure you will find answers to your concerns.
07-09-2008 10:06 PM
kreinestja
Tender Ericson

Ed, my husband and I own a Ericson 38-200. You may want your wife to keep her nails very short. I really have a hard time on our boat once the winds hit 15 knots. I've only been sailing for the past three years and I can honestly say I've gotten better with the sensation, but in my opinion the Ericson is tender and heels a lot. I also know that we should reef more and the sails that we often use are too big.
She is a wonderful vessel; there is no denying her quality throughout. Please feel free to contact me with any questions you may have. I will be happy to forward them on to my husband who may have some valuable advice and or different opinions than mine. There is a very helpful group on "Ericsonyachts.org"

Regards,
Jeri
07-09-2008 08:48 PM
ereiss
More on "Tender"

My prior boat drew 3' 7" so I got spoiled. I think we could go as deep as th 5' 6" or so. With that limitation can we be in an Ericson that the Admiral will not have her fingernails in my arm in 18 knots of wind? I realize that "stiff" is a relative term but, unfortunately, she heard someone say "those Ericsons are very tender" and now I need to overcome that in my search for our next boat.

Thank you for any help.

Ed
07-09-2008 01:57 PM
sailingfool
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Originally Posted by chucklesR View Post
Now if you really want stiff, look here: Performance Cruising Inc. - The Official Gemini 105MC and Telstar 28 Web

It doesn't get any stiffer.
I wouldn't want to own any sailboat where "burying the rail..." means you've gotten into big trouble...I'm going to get my speed fixes by buying a motorcycle...

PS - I guess you know SD, he's got one of those nutty boats too.
07-09-2008 01:43 PM
chucklesR Now if you really want stiff, look here: Performance Cruising Inc. - The Official Gemini 105MC and Telstar 28 Web

It doesn't get any stiffer.
07-09-2008 01:36 PM
sailingfool
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Originally Posted by ereiss View Post
We do need less than 5' of draft, so does that mean that only the full depth keel is stiff?

thanks
It's all in the physics unfortunately, so I would say yes. Scheel and wings can help, but I don't think anyone really gets a stiff boat without keel depth. Do you really need less than 5', that stinks. You may not need much more, for example the C&C 35 Mark II is recognized as a very stiff boat but has a draft of only 5'3". There's a discussion of Ericson keels at Boat Review - Ericson 38 - Southwinds, July 2002 looks like there a wing at 5'3" that might be worth trying...stiff is a very relative term. The Ericson 38 is a sweet boat, as is the sister design Ericson 35 mark II.
07-09-2008 01:22 PM
ereiss
ah, it's the winged keel that I was looking at

We do need less than 5' of draft, so does that mean that only the full depth keel is stiff?

thanks
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