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02-13-2011 04:31 AM
marinegirl405
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Just curious, when you had the work done and the period of time afterwards, were you based in or near Annapolis?
Sure, when we purchased the boat we were living in Norfolk VA - about a 5-6 hour drive away, it certainly didn't seem close at the time, but would be considered close compared to California. We were setting up the boat for significant international cruising and I don't think we've been back to Annapolis since we picked up the boat, certainly the boat hasn't (currently in England). Once we left the factory we sailed south to the Norfolk area; for about a year until we formally started cruising.

We really felt that closer proximity would have been helpful with a few boat manufacturer 'warranty' issues, and we found even our short distance frustrating at times for this reason - but no issues with Peter Kennedy's work.

We did email Peter Kennedy a few times with questions on our Battery monitor (about what the numbers might actually mean), and a few other questions, and although he was obviously under no obligation to help, he always did.
02-12-2011 01:13 PM
sailingdog Just curious, when you had the work done and the period of time afterwards, were you based in or near Annapolis? From what I've seen, almost all of the people that Peter Kennedy Yacht Services screwed over were people whose boats and homes were located at some distance from Annapolis. It seems that he did much better work for those people who lived close enough to his company to become a problem should he not do a good job.

His name was on the invoice. His name was on the company... he's the one who made the promises...
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Wow, I just came across this thread, and I know it's old, but I did just want to relay my own experience working with Peter Kennedy on our Gemini 105Mc (#976 - 2007)

We found him friendly and helpful.. He correctly talking us out of some options we thought we wanted, and gave alternative options (some less expensive) for some of our ideas. All our communications with him were relaxed and friendly, and we gained a strong sense of trust for him. As he worked on our boat, we visited from time to time, and he freely gave his time to discuss/demonstrate progress. Although often the boat looked in a state of chaos and disorder, Once he'd finished his work he left it perfectly clean (he used drop cloths while doing much or the work to protect the boat too - especially inside).

Work we had done by Peter Kennedy: radar / chartplotter / gps / battery monitor / battery charger / windlass / loud hailer / VHF and WHAM mics fitted - so work inside and out. We also had him intervene and supervise the installation of our heating system by a different party which were were having serious trouble with.

After 12000nm (including an Atlantic crossing) of sailing we have no issues with any of the items installed by Peter Kennedy (except our loud hailer needed replacing - something that Peter Kennedy warned would likely happen before we even purchased it). We received all the official paperwork for our Raymarine installed equipment without any chasing. Before and during the work PK provided regular detailed estimates and billing. The final total bill matched the original estimate. Every moment of working and emailing him for us was easy and pleasant and we've had no reason to change that opinion (and plenty of other things have broken on the boat - so we certainly don't live looking on the bright side of things).

Although you should not discount Sailing Dogs experience - I can certainly say that we had entirely the opposite experience.
02-12-2011 11:23 AM
marinegirl405 Wow, I just came across this thread, and I know it's old, but I did just want to relay my own experience working with Peter Kennedy on our Gemini 105Mc (#976 - 2007)

We found him friendly and helpful.. He correctly talking us out of some options we thought we wanted, and gave alternative options (some less expensive) for some of our ideas. All our communications with him were relaxed and friendly, and we gained a strong sense of trust for him. As he worked on our boat, we visited from time to time, and he freely gave his time to discuss/demonstrate progress. Although often the boat looked in a state of chaos and disorder, Once he'd finished his work he left it perfectly clean (he used drop cloths while doing much or the work to protect the boat too - especially inside).

Work we had done by Peter Kennedy: radar / chartplotter / gps / battery monitor / battery charger / windlass / loud hailer / VHF and WHAM mics fitted - so work inside and out. We also had him intervene and supervise the installation of our heating system by a different party which were were having serious trouble with.

After 12000nm (including an Atlantic crossing) of sailing we have no issues with any of the items installed by Peter Kennedy (except our loud hailer needed replacing - something that Peter Kennedy warned would likely happen before we even purchased it). We received all the official paperwork for our Raymarine installed equipment without any chasing. Before and during the work PK provided regular detailed estimates and billing. The final total bill matched the original estimate. Every moment of working and emailing him for us was easy and pleasant and we've had no reason to change that opinion (and plenty of other things have broken on the boat - so we certainly don't live looking on the bright side of things).

Although you should not discount Sailing Dogs experience - I can certainly say that we had entirely the opposite experience.
08-05-2008 11:25 PM
serenity4u2
Thanks SD

Thanks.. I will probably buy used and just work with a local boat yard... Probably will be a 105mc which will be in my price range. I wil hope that the one I buy does not have peter kennedy's prints on it... Always said the best Kennedy is a dead one..
08-05-2008 11:03 PM
sailingdog Glad to help. One point—If you buy a used Gemini, it may already have many of the upgrades you would otherwise be looking to add. There is a significant difference between the older Gemini 3000's and the newer Gemini 105 series. I would recommend, if you can find one, getting the 105 series of boats instead.
08-05-2008 10:59 PM
serenity4u2
Thanks SD

SD, I can only thank you for your oppinion... I have none which is why I value those who do... I really like the Gemini and want the best up front. Peter Kennedy was recommended to me- not sure if by some one (gemini owner) or company.. I do know that the company supported him and said they would work with him... That I know from personal phone conversation with the wife/owner of the company. It does trouble me that I would be steered in this direction- especially if the 'powers to be" know better... After talking with you on here I am leaning towards buying a used Gemini and having what upgrades done here locally... It boils down to credibility- thats all... Personally if I was boat builder and someone was making my boat there poster child on there web site- and I did not like there work... I'd say so on my website and certainly to my perspective buyers... That LACK of Credibility falls on Gemini and Not Peter Kennedy.. Gemini could have told me what upgrades were needed and help me find a local in the PNW to do them.. That falls on the boat builder and no one else- well except the buyer beware! Makes me look at the big three- once again, it is about credibility.... Thanks SD
08-05-2008 10:41 PM
sailingdog Mike-

When it comes to the boat itself, I can't comment on the Gemini, but I can comment on Performance Cruising, and how they have treated me. When the guys at my marina kinked one of the ama locking lines, which are stainless steel, hauling the boat for the winter in 2006, PCI sent me a replacement gratis... and I was able to get it back on the boat and sail as soon as we launched her the following season. BTW, I wasn't present for the 2006 haulout, since I was in the hospital at the time... and that is probably why they had the problem they did.

They've also been very good about incorporating improvements made or suggested by the owners in to the product line, which a lot of manufacturers aren't willing to do.

Peter Kennedy's word isn't worth spit in my opinion.
I don't think that PCI has been less than honest with you... Kennedy has been doing the Gemini upgrades a long time and probably knows the electrical side of them as well as anybody. The Telstar, when I got my boat, was a bit over two years old...and mine was probably only the third or fourth one that Peter's company worked on.

Part of the problem with doing some of the upgrades during the building process is that can often make them harder to maintain, since the accessibility once the boat is finished is lower than when the boat is being built. By having the upgrades done in the PNW, by a local company, you're much more likely to have decent access to all of the bits and pieces. I would highly recommend inspecting and checking on how the installations are being done during the process—which is something I didn't do as well as I should have.
08-05-2008 10:07 PM
serenity4u2
Thanks SD

SD, I actually agree with you about having upgrades done locally.. I am a cynic when it comes to trusting people let alone those who already have been paid and live 3000 miles away... MY big problem comes back to my original question if you recall.... It was about maintaining the boat and how accessable things would be.. That would also include upgrades... I realize any boat yard in the PNW can most likely do any Gemini upgrade.. My thinking was it would be better done at the time of building... Yes, I was recommended Peter Kennedy for upgrades at the time of building.. What bothers me is that the two individuals talk seperately to me... I am beginning to "feel' as if both work together for my money... I just desire to be on the same page is all... All Gemini owners up where I am located went through Peter Kennedy (that I know of)... I would have to ask somne one locally to look at the Gemini and decide what upgrades would be required.. The problem I am concerned about is un doing what has already been done... That is where a local person has an advantage... I did talk with Tony's wife and she told me they work close with Peter Kennedy on any and all upgrades.. She also stated the boat is production and some upgrades would be difficult after purchase. Thats why I want things done at the time.. I like the Gemini and I must admit, based on my own personal bias regarding company longevity- I am gaining concern about Gemini.. I am still old school- A mans word is his word.... It may mean nothing to some but to me it means means much... If what you say is true then it means Gemini has been less then honest with me... That means if I want that boat- I will look used and seek local upgrades... In todays world money talks... There is reason some sell cheap... Some companies just honor thier custormers better then others I suppose... I head back to my original thread about Hunters, Catalinas and Benes.... Guess it all comes down to treust for me and many other buyers as well.. Thanks SD... YOU made thingd easier and also harder for me.. But better.. So for that I extend my gratititude... Mike

ps... I knew I could not trust those east coasters....
08-05-2008 09:24 PM
sailingdog Actually, from what I was told, Performance Cruising is no longer recommending Peter Kennedy as their preferred electrical contractor, at least for the Telstars. Maybe, his experience with the Geminis and how to upgrade them is why they still recommend him for the upgrades on the Gemini. Maybe it was this one person he had doing the work, but in my dealings with Peter, it seems once he got the money, he had no reason to stand behind the work he did.

Personally, I would have to boat delivered to the West Coast and sail the boat a while and figure out what you really want/need on it. Once you have a good idea of what you need/want, then hire an electrical contractor locally, so that if you do have problems, you can have them fixed locally. Even if Peter were willing to fix the problems his installation caused, it would require me taking my boat back down to Annapolis. There is no reason a local electrical contractor can't do the work while you're living aboard.

As for what you need to do with the Gemini really depends on what you're doing with the Gemini.

Basic upgrades would include a larger battery bank, additional light fixtures and outlets in various places throughout the boat, and such. Adding solar panels and/or a wind generator might be a good idea if you're planning on longer distance cruising or staying on a mooring or the hook for any period of time——since you need to have some way to charge the batteries without using the engine IMHO.

You might also need/want to add a ground plane and SSB transceiver or additional navigation instruments. A stereo system is also a common upgrade on many boats. Additional cockpit lighting might also be good if you're going to be using the cockpit at night for entertaining.

I don't know how you're going to use the boat... so these are just basic suggestions that would probably be needed on any liveaboard/long-distance cruising boat. They were things I had requested Peter Kennedy do, and most of them he screwed up pretty badly.

BTW, I just found out that the two connectors for the solar panels, port and starboard, are wired differently, and if you tried to plug the port panel into the starboard panel power connector, you wouldn't get electricity to the batteries and vice versa. IMHO, it would make sense to wire the two panels identically, so that either could be used on either side of the boat, don't you agree??? Also, I'd point out that I was present in the Annapolis area for at least two of the weeks his company was working on my boat. He delivered the boat four weeks later than he promised as well.
08-05-2008 09:23 PM
serenity4u2
Look SD

SD, I do not desire to argue with you at ALLLLL..... Just be fair with me please.... You "RIP" the companby that the boat builder recommends to me. What am I suppose to do? It almost makes me not want to buy a brand new Gemini... Keep in mind I am buying from the west coat and have to pay for shipping... If I can not rely on the builders recommendations then who can I rely on SD??? Can you understand my position SD??? It is not meant to be contentious... Pls realize that....
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