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09-18-2008 06:10 PM
runner The one I just tried had several places where the top was glassed to the bottom of the hull. All the way around the top and then at two bulkheads and several other places. There was no simple way to pull the top without cutting something up. It is about half way into the trash bags in little pieces. My grandson showed up to visit gramps, so I did not get it all the way cut up.
Pick your fights. The boat needed an impact crack repaired about 10 inches long. The glass was cracked around where the mast steps. The foam under the bow storage area and under the floor was pellets like those in a bean bag chair. Maybe when the boat was new the glass was strong enough to be supported by loose pellets, but no longer. So far I have not found a single wood stringer. The stringers and supports were formed around foam. To fix this boat would have required lots and lots of work while I don't even have the original mast, rigging, or sails. It can be purchased in sailing condition for about 1500$
I am going to restore a boat, but I want a usable boat to start with!
09-18-2008 09:14 AM
tommays I have done it on a 16 and 18 ' Donzi powerboat that had steel fuel tanks under the fiberglass liner So there was no other way to go

The good thing was they have boat lift rings in the deck that made it easy to lift

The bad news is the better the boat is made the harder it is to get apart ,Donzi glasses the joint as a final step and it had to be cut while doing a handstand
09-18-2008 01:31 AM
sailaway21 Wes,
Here are the promised photos.

You can see that you have to lift your tiller for access but that's no big deal. You can also see the pockets, or lockers, within the gunwale in the last photo.
09-01-2008 10:46 AM
sailaway21 I'm on the case, Wes. You can send PM's now that you've got ten posts. Photos to come soon.
09-01-2008 10:31 AM
wesramm Sailaway, I tried to send you a private message asking to say that I'd be interested in the picture when you get it uploaded. I am still new enough on Sail Net that I am not allowed to send Private Messages.

Thanks, though.

09-01-2008 10:26 AM
wesramm Crazy: perhaps. Over zealous: Yes. Cockpit locker full of money? No......

I like the idea of the hatch. I had to crawl back into the stern underneath the cockpit when I was removing all of the hardware for the boat. Realistically, I don't need to do TOO much in there, but there is all that space that is not used for anything. Honestly, however, the thought of climbing back there for another extended period of time makes me anxious. It's pretty darn uncomfortable in there...

08-25-2008 07:26 PM
merttan Did you find the boat with cockpit locker full of money? Just curious
08-25-2008 09:05 AM
raisin56 Sounds like you have leaks in the deck joint and needs to be resealed. Anyone see a problem with removing the deck, getting at the in accesable areas then resetting the deck prior to major work. Kind of like the best of both worlds?
08-25-2008 05:35 AM
sander06 Removing the deck from the hull for a refit is not an activity that is properly described as being anal! "Crazy" might have neen a better choice. Have fun with the refit.
08-24-2008 11:16 PM
sailaway21 If your deck to hull joint is not leaking, with especial attention to the joint in the keel well between hull and cockpit deck, I'd leave it alone. Take a garden hose and attack it with water from all angles to ascertain the integrity of the joints.

Most of the interior of the Cal 21 is easily accessible for any retrofit job, the exception being the aft ends of the quarterberth areas. A very nice and extremely useful remedy to that issue, and one worth your time, is the addition of a hatch directly under your tiller between the two cockpit seats. You'll find that a hatch of about one foot to the side offers great access to the sternsheets area as well as opens it up for stowage of a great deal of gear. I keep my battery and a small gas tank there.

You'll need to reinforce the cockpit benches adjacent to the opening cut out, ideally with some 1/4" marine plywood laminated in with fiberglas to their underside. Between the access from the quarterberths and your new hatch there is very little of the interior you'll not be able to directly reach.

I just took a photo of my hatch today for someone else and as soon as I get the gear back from my wife, and I figure out the intricacies of Flickr or some such thing, I'll post them here.

From working on mine, while on the trailer, I'd advise purchasing an extral length of shop-vac hose so you can have your shop-vac nozzle close to hand as you proceed. I ran my elec. cord up into the boat and then back down to the vac on the ground so I could plug it in as needed. It goes much easier if you can vac out the mess as you go I found.
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