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09-05-2008 08:46 PM
runner I took her to Winters, and the straps I used across the hull on the trailer caused big leaks under the keel where old caulk and such crumbled out. Never even got the mast stepped. No boat until I get the keel sealed up properly.
Thank you very much for your kind offer, but I already have plans. Hopefully we can arrainge something soon. I have been watching for your boat profile as I have been searching more info on the two I have here. Turns out that unless I want to take the top off and pretty much start from scratch, that the new hull is junk. Whatever is suipposed to support the cockpit floor is gone and I flushed a lot of clawwed loose styrofoam pellets and several drowned field mice today when I drained the water out of it from the rain. Shame. The wider hull would have worked very nicely with family onboard.
Have a beautiful weekend!
09-05-2008 08:34 PM
freddyray did you take her sailing yet? I am singlehanding maybe over at Carlyle Sunday. Want to sail over there?
08-29-2008 08:44 PM
runner
clueless newby stumbles over clue...

.....literally! A friend asked what attached to the two eyelets on the stern, so I went looking for the motor mount that mounts there to show him. There is a wire running between the bolts on the motor mount that has a block on it creating a small traveler type of slide. The main sheet rigging now makes sense. The one broken eyelet has to be replaced now before the boat can be rigged the way it is ment to be rigged.
So, I had it all along! Apologies to everyone!!! I still don't have a name for the boat, but I will get pictures of it rigged tomorrow. Guess if I sail it, it will be just using the center block until I get the eyelet replaced!
Hopefully once it is rigged with the motor mount in place, someone will recognise it.
08-29-2008 05:50 PM
freddyray I am going sailing over at Carlyle. We will down at Winter on Sunday though. It does not need a registration if it is a trolling motor, but you are correct that it needs on with an outboard. If you need an outboard I usually have one or two around. To paint it take it down to all aluminum and then use a self etching primer then any automotive paint. Epoxy paint would be best for the water as it will stand up to scratches a bit better, but any auto paint will do.
08-29-2008 05:38 PM
runner I called Mr. Edwards back about the boat. He bought it from the Chesapeake Bay museum. They sold it to him as an aluminum sailboat only.

I think I am going to put it in the water tomorrow at Winters park. That will give me a chance to let the water patrol tell me what we have to do to title it. It has to be registered so it can carry a small outboard motor. I am not sure if a trolling motor would require registration or not. Someone started scribing a hole into the stern floatation area about 8 inches across inside on the back cockpit bulkhead. I don't understand why there is no access to those areas built into the boat. It seems that hatches into those areas could easily be installed without compromising the boats floatation in the event it capsized.

Anyway, what are you doing tomorrow? I can haul the boat to Winters park on the flatbed trailer I picked it up with. That would require another strong back to lift it and turn it over, but then sliding it into the water would be no big deal. I think I am gonna take it around the big island a couple of times tomorrow!. Think about it! This is your chance to sail a really ugly boat in public!

Have a good day!

PS: I think I will go pick up a 12 volt sump to take with me just in case!
08-29-2008 04:01 PM
freddyray only one block is needed for the mainsheet. The second on the end may be for a traveller which I don't have on mine nor need
08-29-2008 01:58 PM
runner
boom

The outhaul is a smaller line that has a block and a cleat on the side of the boom. Both of the lower blocks would seem to be for the main sheet.

The only insignia I found was on the sail bag and it seems to be the bag for a spinnaker sail. Even that part is hard to tell. Nothing on the sails themselves.

The hull does leak, but not at a rate that would stop me from trying it out. Actually, a little caulk and some paint and I could likely stop the leak without doing anything drastic. As it is, a sump would handle it with no repair.

So, should the boat be brush painted or sprayed, and what kind of paint do most folks use? Not sure about the correct aluminum primer either if I am not going to epoxy it. I stripped the top today and knocked all of the loose paint off inside the boat with the power washer.

Talk more later. I will attempt to contact the gentleman and see if he can give me more information. Time to power wash the latest coat of striper off the boat!
08-29-2008 11:27 AM
freddyray I think your mainsheet connects as mine does. Seeing the pics now the block at the back of the boom is for the clewe line. The line will pass through the block and then cleat off on the side of the boom. The block in the middle of the boom is for the main sheet. The other end of the main sheet should attach somewhere in the middle of the boat. Mine attaches to the deck, but it looks as if your deck is removeable so I don't think it would handle the strain of the mainsheet as it will raise the floor.
08-29-2008 10:45 AM
Whampoa Morning runner,

First, with regard to your last question, once you raise the mainsail, the back of the boom will be held up by the sail and the mainsheet will keep the boom "down" as you play it in and out while you sail.

Did the gentleman you bought the boat from tell you anything more about the boat, like what kind of boat it is? If not, did he tell you which museum he got it from? If he did, you might be able to contact them about it if you want to find out more about it. If he can't or won't tell you that you might wonder about the story about this boat.

As far as repairs, you will need to decide if you have any intentions of trying to restore it with the intention of trying to preserve any historical value and related monetary value or simply repairing it to the point that you can safely sail it for the fun of it. You will need to have a better idea of what kind of boat it is in order to know if that is worth worrying about.

Once you make that decision you will be better able to decide how to assess the repairs needed and act accordingly.

It's hard to say why the bottom has no paint. A previous owner may have started to redo the boat and stopped, they may have let it sit in the ground and corrode, they may have left it on a moorng in salt water, etc...

No way to tell about the paint that was on her from photos. People use whatever they have handy on these old boats. If you have been using paint stripper on the boat, be sure the stripper you used is compatible with aluminum and make sure to nuetralize it according to the instructions before beginning to reapply any paint.

Finally, I'm gonna assume there is not any type of emblem on your mainsail as you have not answered my previous questions about that. Too bad, that might have helped identify the boat. Not always though because folks sometimes pick up any sail that might fit and old boat when the original sails die.


Best of luck on your project,

John
08-29-2008 01:11 AM
runner I have to address the problems in some way. This boat has a weld at the back of the trunk where the keel has been repaired previously. There are screws for about 5 feet on one side of the keel strip, and there is some bad pitting in places. My friend said to do it right, that it needed more cleaning and then should be primed with Epoxy Chromate primer. Epoxy paint over that since this is a trailer boat and will see the power washer after each trip out.
Does sealing and protecting the bottom with modern polymers alter it from original? The original side paint was quite flexible even today as I remove it. What would the original rubbery paint have been? Why was the bottom left open to the elements instead of painting it like the sides? The side I just stripped is perfect.
I am doing the bottom completely first. Then I will put it in a cradle while I do the top side.
I may also just be paranoid a little after my buddy noticed a big pit under the edge of the keel. The boat may not leak at all and the repair may have fixed the problem. It is filling with water in the rain tonight, so I will know if it holds water soon!
OOps, missed a question! I have a three stay rig on the boat I have. Just wondering if there are any special requirements for holding the boom down on a boat without an aft stay?
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