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04-21-2009 03:35 PM
ip32kid
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Originally Posted by poopdeckpappy View Post
I really don't get the association between a novalty flag and glorifying rape, robbery, plundering, and murder, but hell, everyone is entitled to their own level of humor I guess, but ya gotta keep it in prespective.

Priates that have been dead for over 200yrs didn't corner the market on rape, robbery, plundering, and murder, if they did, I can think of a few 1st world countries who can add copy right infrigment to their list of evil doings
Exactly! Have any of you ever even read history books? More than half of the pirates were privateers hired with letters of marque from various nations. murdering, sinking and taking of other nations vessels and goods.... you better take down every national flag you have.. All guilty. The uptight suits on here can fly their yacht club burgees.. i'm sure none of the members or members buisness interests would be involved in anything illegal or immoral.
08-27-2008 08:15 PM
sailingdog
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Originally Posted by wkwray View Post
Haha. wow. Good thing I found out that flying a jolly roger off the shrouds of my 25' Tanzer would cement me as a supporter of not only rape, murder, and theft, but also junk bonds and felonious corporate accounting! Thanks. I assumed that the fact that several US military units past and present (four squadrons of the 90th Bombardment Group of the Fifth Air Force in WWII, several USN Fighter Squadrons, including the current VFA-103, the VF-84, the VF-17, etc.) as well as the entire Royal Navy Submarine Service have adopted as their emblem would have made it apparent that the jolly roger no longer stands explicitly for rape and murder but rather for bravado tinged with lawlessness. Somebody better write all those jet pilots and perhaps the Queen of England and let them know exactly what they're getting themselves into.

I would argue that the historical connotations of the flag have been overruled by more recent usage in military and popular culture. Connotations change. The swastika was a Hindu symbol for prosperity, welfare, and luck. If you were to fly it today, people would associate it with the more recent, popularly understood use of the symbol (The Third Reich) rather than the meaning assigned to it centuries beforehand.
good point.

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As to the hypothetical aspersions on my character and the assertions that I'd be seen as a 'drunk hillbilly' (by the way, you might want to double-check your epithets - hillbillies live in rural and mountainous areas and have not been spotted in boats larger than 8'), I can probably live with the occasional disapproving glance from hypersensitive yachtsmen. You'll forgive me if I don't deem it necessary to defend my reputation to you. I hope the Coast Guard and any naval vessels I encounter will hold their fire, choosing to capture rather than kill the four or five teenagers aboard the 25' bermuda rigged sloop.
You never met Cam... he's got a boat a bit bigger than 8' and is often described as a drunk hillbillie...

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Thanks for the input on black hulls/other fun accoutrement. The plank definitely seems do-able and within my limited carpentry skills. My boat is in RI so it sounds like the black hull might be ok. I might go with a dark blue or green just in case. Cannons look like fun but I might stop short of exploding munitions and stick to a mounted water balloon launcher of some sort. Thanks to whomever suggested getting another set of standing rigging - I was a little worried about messing up mine. Special credit to whoever took the painstaking time to type up 3 paragraphs in pirate speech.

Cheers. And to all of you naysayers - beware, there's a water balloon with your name on it.
I like the water balloon slingshots...
08-27-2008 02:00 PM
RAGTIMEDON Nay, I'm not the stuffed shirt type -- I have, and occasionally fly, a Jolly Roger. But out of respect for my country, I never fly it with the Stars and Stripes. Not above, not below, not abaft, not on the same vessel! I am proud of my country and it's flag, unlike certain misguided politicians and their wives. So I say, have fun, fly your Jolly Roger, walk your plank, climb your ratlines, paint your hull black! Just don't paint your deck black if you go barefoot! We need to figure out how to launch a water balloon with an authentic looking cannon!
08-27-2008 01:22 PM
wkwray
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Haha. wow. Good thing I found out that flying a jolly roger off the shrouds of my 25' Tanzer would cement me as a supporter of not only rape, murder, and theft, but also junk bonds and felonious corporate accounting! Thanks. I assumed that the fact that several US military units past and present (four squadrons of the 90th Bombardment Group of the Fifth Air Force in WWII, several USN Fighter Squadrons, including the current VFA-103, the VF-84, the VF-17, etc.) as well as the entire Royal Navy Submarine Service have adopted as their emblem would have made it apparent that the jolly roger no longer stands explicitly for rape and murder but rather for bravado tinged with lawlessness. Somebody better write all those jet pilots and perhaps the Queen of England and let them know exactly what they're getting themselves into.

I would argue that the historical connotations of the flag have been overruled by more recent usage in military and popular culture. Connotations change. The swastika was a Hindu symbol for prosperity, welfare, and luck. If you were to fly it today, people would associate it with the more recent, popularly understood use of the symbol (The Third Reich) rather than the meaning assigned to it centuries beforehand.

As to the hypothetical aspersions on my character and the assertions that I'd be seen as a 'drunk hillbilly' (by the way, you might want to double-check your epithets - hillbillies live in rural and mountainous areas and have not been spotted in boats larger than 8'), I can probably live with the occasional disapproving glance from hypersensitive yachtsmen. You'll forgive me if I don't deem it necessary to defend my reputation to you. I hope the Coast Guard and any naval vessels I encounter will hold their fire, choosing to capture rather than kill the four or five teenagers aboard the 25' bermuda rigged sloop.

Thanks for the input on black hulls/other fun accoutrement. The plank definitely seems do-able and within my limited carpentry skills. My boat is in RI so it sounds like the black hull might be ok. I might go with a dark blue or green just in case. Cannons look like fun but I might stop short of exploding munitions and stick to a mounted water balloon launcher of some sort. Thanks to whomever suggested getting another set of standing rigging - I was a little worried about messing up mine. Special credit to whoever took the painstaking time to type up 3 paragraphs in pirate speech.

Cheers. And to all of you naysayers - beware, there's a water balloon with your name on it.
08-27-2008 01:03 PM
hellosailor " Or, maybe, does it stand for something else today"
Sometimes, it just means "I have goofy nine year olds on board who need to play!"

So what flag do you fly when you moon a toll booth attendant or a bridge keeper?
08-27-2008 12:12 AM
Sapperwhite
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Originally Posted by poopdeckpappy View Post
Don't worry until you hear the dueling banjos......then run like hell
You sure do got a purdy mouth boy!


08-26-2008 11:42 PM
mwrohde
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Originally Posted by hellosailor View Post
I don't get how anyone could not get the association. You fly a flag--any flag--and you endorse what that flag stands for. That's where the phrase "showing the flag" somes from. That's what flags are, after all, all about.
Do you /really/ think that the skull and cross bones still stands for "rape, robbery, plundering, and murder"? Really? Still today? Or, maybe, does it stand for something else today than it did a few hundred years ago?
08-26-2008 08:20 PM
poopdeckpappy
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Originally Posted by Sapperwhite View Post
OR ARE THEY!?!?

Maybe those drunken hillbillies really are pirates and they've lulled you into complacency by flying the Jolly Roger all over the place. Now they are just waiting for the right time to strike!

Don't worry until you hear the dueling banjos......then run like hell
08-26-2008 08:16 PM
Sapperwhite
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Originally Posted by ronspiker View Post
Of course "Real" pirates aren't going to be stupid enough to fly a pirate flag to give you warning that they are about to cause you trouble. So anyone that thinks someone flying a pirate flag actually is one is probably not to bright anyway.

Fly yer flag and enjoy.
OR ARE THEY!?!?

Maybe those drunken hillbillies really are pirates and they've lulled you into complacency by flying the Jolly Roger all over the place. Now they are just waiting for the right time to strike!
08-26-2008 08:14 PM
poopdeckpappy
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Originally Posted by hellosailor View Post
But the original quedstion was about etiquette and the pirate flag, and proper etiquette for a pirate is "Whatever I damned well want it to be!"

Isn't it?
Absolutely and that's it in a nut shell, it is your personal POV

My POV is some what different in that I think some, and I might even go as far as say few, take it all that seriously.

We have Sailing Clubs & Sailing Associations and Maritime Museums all putting on festivals all the time with Pirates themes; The Festival of Sails just ended here in SD, had some 20 Tall ships from all over the place here for 5 days, the theme of the Festival was ??? Pirates, a few of them will go to DP, then over to cat Island, the theme ??? priates

I quarantee ya, they and the 10's of thousands that participated in the festival are not out to glorify rape, plumder & murder, they are out to have fun and enjoy the sailing with their friends and family

So to the question of flying a pirate flag , fly it where ever you choose, to the question of etiquette, don't fly it above the Stars & Stripes when on the same staff or halyard

That's from another point of veiw of course
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