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09-09-2008 10:59 PM
dcarey Vessel #2 is the stand on vessel. When we are racing and we are vessel #2 we are watching out for vessel #1. If it is determined that they are not aware of the situation we will yell "STARBOARD". They will then do one of two things: 1. they will change course right away or 2. they will tell us to maintain our course, meaning that they are aware of the possibility of a collision and that they will take action to avoid such collision. That being said... even they opt for number two (telling us to maintain course) I, being at the helm, don't assume anything and will make sure that we can take action if we have to.

Obviously if they don't acknowledge us at all then we will take the neccessary action to avoid a collision. Heck its only a race. And I don't remember where our red flag is... oh well.
09-09-2008 10:44 PM
KeelHaulin The boats are on opposite tacks; which always takes precedence over windward/leeward.

So the boat on starboard tack is the Stand-On-Vessel.

Sorry I would have answered it sooner but your post was confusing; thought you were describing two separate scenarios.
09-09-2008 10:25 PM
zz4gta
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I'm confused. So who has rights...

1: leeward on a port tack
2: windward on a starboard tack?
Can anyone field this? In this case in a windward leeward course it happens quite often. Which one is the stand on vessel? 1 or 2?
09-09-2008 08:38 PM
gypsywomen That makes sense. Turning on your engine to avoid a collision does not negate the ROW of the boats in play.
09-09-2008 08:19 PM
KeelHaulin Another part of the "avoid collision" rule is that you should do everything that you are capable of doing to avoid collision. The common maneuvers would be tacking/gybing/spilling sail, etc. But it also means that if your engine is easily started; reverse is part of your capability to help avoid a collision. So in the instance of two boats approaching on a collision course; starting the engine and running it in standby for an emergency maneuver should not be considered a sailboat "under power".

JMHO...
09-09-2008 07:56 PM
gypsywomen Thanks for the clarification guys. I am sure the first rule in my list is most important one of all. Be safe and watch out for others, those are the rules I live by when driving the car, surely they will transfer when I am sailing.

Interesting topic, it gives good insight to the rules and how many people have different opinions of the rules. Which to me is very interesting.
09-09-2008 07:29 PM
alecs123 WOW!! it was a question just to clarify my thoughts about a daysail I had... and it started all this.
My feeling is that racers a non-racers ara whole worlds appart.
For instance I race my little 14" flying Tern, and since no PHRF is on effect in my lake, I do daysail my Merit. My wife says that I'm a different person while onboard the Tern.
I think the root problems is that steering a boat, taking it from A to B, not necessarily means that instruction or training has been taken.
I foudn a lack of this knowledge down here, and my point was that Port Authority must enforce this information to everyone on the lake dirving some kind of water craft.
Other than this, an interesting thread...
Thanks all for your input
09-09-2008 06:41 PM
Maine Sail
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We took lessons this summer so I will tell you what we were told in class...

1. Avoid collision no matter who has ROW
Very good!

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2. sail has ROW over power
Could be dangerous and not always correct!!

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3. Starburt over port
Good.

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4. leeward over windward
Good.

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5. if you are being overtaken, the boat who is being overtaken has ROW
Good.


All these rules need to be studied much more carefully than your instructor taught you especially sail has "ROW" over power as that is not always the case. Spend some time on the ICW and you'll learn the hard way that taking the "I'm sail I have a right of way over power" can get you into some real trouble.
09-09-2008 04:58 PM
AE28
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Originally Posted by gypsywomen View Post
We took lessons this summer so I will tell you what we were told in class...

1. Avoid collision no matter who has ROW

2. sail has ROW over power

3. Starburt over port

4. leeward over windward

5. if you are being overtaken, the boat who is being overtaken has ROW
In my opinion, this is the most accurate and comprehensive posting on this subject on this entire thread. There are undoubtedly more "rules", but if you follow these, you'll be well ahead of most of your fellow boaters.
09-09-2008 04:55 PM
northbay All this is well said and well intentioned. However, when the regs are taken into consideration they are basiclly applied to two vessels. But on a typical weekend on most bodies of water signaling ones intention would be chaos...
don't you think? Other then just a just a simple shout, when needed, "starboard", "leeward". As to the powerboat issue I'm open for suggestion as most would not know why you're blowing a horn!
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