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09-07-2008 03:11 PM
nonsailor What fees have to be paid to enter a foreign harbour, drop anchor or tie up, it is things like that which will dictate how many places you visit, I only recently heard that if you don't tell the australian government 3 days in advance that you are coming, you could be fined $15,000.
I now know that will tell me what I need to know but I don't need to worry about that just yet.
09-06-2008 11:19 PM
Originally Posted by hillbillybear View Post
since I am so low on funds and since I have no skills to build, some of the guys at recommended that I try the site and build one of there boats.

I see, no building skills, no sailing skills and no money. I love a positive attitude but you need a plan. Which is why you are asking questions and reading. Let me tell you my experience.>>
I can pretty much guarantee you that with no building skills you will not be able to build anything cheaper that what you can buy used. I’ve got about $2,000 into a 10’ dinghy and I’m still not done and I have significant carpentry and cabinet making experience and about $7,000 in tools and a shop. Also unless you love building it will take much, much longer than you think and delay your cruising which is what you want to do. About 30 years ago my wife and I got a 22' Oday shoal draft and lived aboard in the keys for about 2 months. Good times, but we were both much thinner and it was the keys, who is indoors?>>
We loved it and decided we wanted a big boat. I found and raised a 36' Crocker schooner (beautiful boat) that was sunk at the dock and spent several months and many thousands trying to restore her. I failed, long story. We started having children and after having the stuffing knocked out of us by the schooner that was pretty much it for us for boats till last year. I’ve been sailing a friend’s boat and can tell you pretty accurately what we have been spending on it.>>
You sound like you are in exactly the same spot I was 30 years ago except I “thought” I had skills which frankly just complicated things. The following is the advice I wish someone would have given me all those years ago.>>
1. Pick a number, any number from 1,000 to 500,000 and buy your first boat. Don’t worry about it being the perfect boat it will not be. I’ve got some ideas about how to pick the boat if you are interested.>>
2. This boat has to be pretty ready to sail. Some paint etc is OK but no major repair.>>
3. Now learn to sail.>>
4. Save money>>
5. Trade up>>
6. Do 4 and 5 until >>
> >
You have the boat and money and experience to go cruising.>>
I wish you luck. I’m trying to make up for lost time. >>
09-06-2008 10:42 PM
KB7EWA It will cost however much you spend on it...
09-06-2008 08:46 PM
It was kinda rambling.

sorry to hear my post was rambling to you .. perhaps you missed my point ( and I'm sure due to my short coming not to get what I wrote),
being new to sailing as you say you are sure feel to me you have way to many boxes all ready set up for your self , preconditions galore ..
don't worry about what size , what make , what kind a rig, or brand, just get on with it all ready .... when you have experienced different vessels, different hulls, sails, rigs , THEN you might find the right one .. way to soon to make so much pragmatic statements..

GO Sailing ..small, big , just go
09-06-2008 06:57 PM
sailingdog You should look at the Compac line of boats... they have some very good small boats in the <25' range, as does West Wight Potter.
09-06-2008 04:35 PM
hillbillybear Not quite sure what you meant in the first sentence of your response, Tamas. It was kinda rambling.
As far as looking for someone to talk me out of the idea, hardly. As matter of fact, I have been gathering information from good folks on sailing sites all along. I also use information I learn from sources such as Whiteblaze and the Appalachian Trail Conference to aid me in things I would really need to take on a coastal cruise in a small boat, such as a Pathfinder. Some of the things I have suggested that I would be able to do in such a small boat have seems ridiculous to many folks, and downright dangerous to others on the sites I inhibit. I have a nice boat picked out. I really like the Welsford Sundowner. But I cannot afford it, nor do I have the skills to build it. I have looked at other craft as well. I like the Balboa 23's, as well as the Marshall Sanderling. In all likelyhood, I will end up with something very used that will need to have some work done on it. I've looked at Potters as well. But they keep drifting further and further away as I keep hearing many negatives about them. At times I'm not sure what boat I would like to go away on. I have checked with the Cave Run Sailing Association in Morehead, KY about lessons, which we will be taking next spring. I have ideas what I would like to do. As well, since I have a real desire to sail and since I am so low on funds and since I have no skills to build, some of the guys at recommended that I try the site and build one of there boats. That I will. Looking for someone to talk me out of learning to sail and to set off on a dream. No thanks.
09-06-2008 04:22 PM
Boasun What tamas52 said has a great deal of truth in it.
Get the boat you want and if you've never sailed before then acquire a mentor or use many of the sailing schools that abound around these states.
09-06-2008 03:15 PM
I'm not sure I can afford it, I won't do it

well to many NO, to many predetermined why not do it in your post , dear
Hill billy bear..
seems like to me you looking for some one who will talk you out of the all idea..

OK .. don't go , don't explore, don't push your limit, don't even attempt!

or , just cast off, push your limits, find the way, learn to fix things,learn to enjoy, and just go .. if you looking for a belt- suspender life, then you never , "go around the world"
not even go around your local lake .. it has nothing to do with a cost of paint, provision, or any other "influences" .All has to do with you ..

"Ta ta" for now
09-06-2008 03:07 PM
Boasun 1. Difference between a power vessel and a sailing vessel
a. A power vessel takes lots of dollars, for fuel, to go any great distance, plus cooking, food and maintenance costs
b. A sailing vessel can use the wind and go the same distance for very little, just on the fuel used for cooking, food and maintenance costs.

So you are looking at the cost of food and the means to cook the food. Then you have the maintenance & upkeep on top of it.

Oh! Include the maintenance of the significant other if you have one on board
09-06-2008 01:07 PM

Here is another good resource
Microcruising in the Bahamas
I have sailed 2000 miles in 3 months spending just over $1000 with $500 on fuel and booze.
It is just another set of mind. You will need to prepare and simplify your boat, be ready to fix about everything by yourself. Be a little scavenger and think outside the box. Actually, hardest part is leaving security of the home. "Out there" isn't all that hard or difficult. It's surprised me how little one person actually needs.
Good luck!
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