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06-13-2004 05:24 PM
Powerboat Cruising info needed

Looking for two lot souls and thier boat . Belived to be cruising in the Bahamas. Yatch name is "Donna Dee II" Grant Walters and her name is Linda Campbell. If anyone has seen or has contact with them plase notify me. Thanks Tom
04-08-2004 12:55 AM
Powerboat Cruising info needed

I sat around enlessly debating and someone else bought it for only 6K. I wonder how they are doing with her?
02-17-2004 11:23 AM
Powerboat Cruising info needed

So did you do it?
If so how is it working out.
Todd V
01-14-2004 04:16 PM
Powerboat Cruising info needed

Yes it''s a production type mill. I didn''t go for the SuperHydraulic becuase it is only faster. I have the same features but don''t need the extra production speed. I guess like my boat needs. I just want to go but don''t need to go either fast or in bad weather. Call me a fair weather guy. I also have the SimpleSet computer, DeBarker, LubeMizer and operator seat. I also have a 25hp 4wd FEL/Back hoe tractor to move logs around.

I found out the boat has been up to Alaska and back, possibly more than once. This was some time ago. Most of it''s recent life it''s just been a live aboard and cruised around the puget sound.

It is Carvel planked 1 3/16" Cedar over Bent Oak. Galvanized fasteners. Partially refastened and many planks replaced at various times.

I am getting the impression it would be just fine for cruising south of SF Bay with The Golden Gate being the toughest part. And of course, I would be only going out during fair weather and peak season. North of SF sounds rough for any boat.

If I can get the boat for 10K fix the wood structure of the boat for 20K outfit with electronics for 10K leaving 10K for buffer. That keeps me in the 50K range I want. If I blow 50K on something else. I could end up with old electronics. Wood needing work. Fiberglass needing work. Remember I am trying to bring this boat to operational condition. Not convert it to a 7 seas full time Passagemaker.
01-14-2004 05:10 AM
Powerboat Cruising info needed

one other thing
It is not so much the size of the waves but the period between them long is good short means steep and rougher. Also often there are more than one set of swells at a time which confound most calculations.
01-14-2004 05:03 AM
Powerboat Cruising info needed

A lot of the answer to your question is subjective. usually a boat can handle rougher conditions than we can - or at least willingly. (but then I must admit I am something of a whimp when it comes to going out in rough weather.) It also assumes the boat is in top notch condition. The rougher it gets the more strain is put on a boat and with a boat that age you want to make very sure that you will not spring a plank. You get significant leaks when that happens. This is what I would worry about more.
As for how it handles a sea. If it is currently in the water you might go aboard and have someone with another boat throw you some wakes. Not the real thing but it might give you an idea. Personally I''d keep it in relatively sheltered waters. But understand that many people have gone long distances in less and who am I to call them nuts?
That is a serious mill you have. Do you have a kiln too? I used to work in computers too. Joined a twelve step program - am powerless over end users.
Todd V
01-13-2004 03:44 PM
Powerboat Cruising info needed


I have a Wood-Mizer LT40-25G Hydraulic mill but I work in computers. The mill is just a hobby.

As would be the boat. I don''t intend to live-aboard. I just want to fix it up and ideally be able to do something with the finished product. That''s why I want to know what the boat can do assuming it''s restored.


01-13-2004 03:28 PM
Powerboat Cruising info needed

Thanks a million!
01-13-2004 02:41 PM
Powerboat Cruising info needed

You might want to ask the same questions at Passagemaker''s board:
01-13-2004 11:07 AM
Powerboat Cruising info needed

Thank you everyone for the input. But we are way off track from the original question. I know the boat needs work. I know it''s a money pit. I know what “Paravane” systems are and was using the term "flopperstopper" (which I know is a brand name for a plastic mushroom shaped steadying mechanism used at anchor) loosely just like Beebe himself along with James Leishman did in his book. And most other people do as well. Similar to saying Band-Aid when you mean adhesive strip or Q-tip when you mean cotton swab. I don’t know what a paravane system costs. Or if it can even be added to the boat in question.

The original question re-phrased is: What seas if any can this hull type or design handle. Does anyone have experience with this type of boat? It''s from Seattle (part of the Pacific NW) and it''s still around, so it must have some ocean handling design built in, no?

1933 built of single plank construction.
40'' LOA - 38'' LWL - 12''6" Beam - 20K Disp. - 120hp Lehman Diesel - 360gallons fuel - approx range of 1000nm - no steadying mechanism currently – Assuming I make good repairs and add electronics.

What size swell, head on would send this boat back to harbor? 6ft seas? 12ft seas?

What size beam sea would send it back to harbor?

What size following sea would send it back?

How much wind would send it back? 15knots? 20knots?

I see that it has a lot of window space. But I see a lot of trawlers with even more. Any comment on storm handling of this much glass?

The A/B ratio of this boat is very good compared to Trawlers that look to be several stories tall, relatively speaking. Yet the Trawler copies are able to travel the coast regularly.

Perhaps Freeboard is not enough on this boat?

Is the bow to low or shaped wrong for Ocean work?

In Beebe’s book he details some basic design characteristics for voyaging. He recommends a minimum of 38 feet LWL. This boat meets it. He recommends a low A/B. This boat meets it. He recommends low HP and speed ratio of 1.2. This boat meets it. He recommends a separate pilot-house (from salon) for night vision. This boat meets it. He recommends a range of 2400nm which this boat does not meet but I plan to stay along the coast and not cross oceans.

What he does not recommend is an antique boat. Which is why I wanted to ask if anyone had experience with old boats like this.

Perhaps the answer might be that this boat is only capable of good weather voyaging for short day hops up and down the coast. Ducking into harbors at any sign of weather or before dark. Perhaps I can only venture south of SF Bay and should stay away from north.

Thanks again. Gene-
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