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04-30-2009 03:18 AM
blt2ski We'll be racing wed nights starting in June. May 9 out of edmonds is a jack and Jill. The last weekend in June, we are doing a pro suit race from edmonds to Port ludlow and back that is fun. with a pot luck sat eve in PL.

Do not forget 3rd weekend in June is the Jeanneau owners roundezvous at Poets Cove. Hoping to get up there this year. Jeff at MSC/ullman wants my up there with my new suit of sales! To show we can do better in the race than I did with 20 yr old dacs 2 yrs ago!

Here is Edmonds schedule. You can see at the bottom whom is unfortunetly in charge:eek :

Same site has info on main page with a link to the sign up for the June mad dash.

marty

PS
Welcome here, not sure how many from here in puget sound etc are here, but we are one higher number of regional folks here.
04-30-2009 03:06 AM
vizenor
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Originally Posted by blt2ski View Post
Okay Bob,

Whom let you in here?!?!?!?!

Lord help us, another Jeanneau owner!

YEAH!

By the way, did you get ahold of whomever to join STYC? and figure out a summer race schedule? etc etc. Email or call me if you still have ph#
Marty,

Been too busy at work to follow up on STYC, racing, etc.... Did get down to Blake Island for an overnight weekend before last. Got in a full day of sailing taking the long way back.

Let me know if you need crew sometime - Bob
04-30-2009 02:50 AM
blt2ski Okay Bob,

Whom let you in here?!?!?!?!

Lord help us, another Jeanneau owner!






YEAH!

By the way, did you get ahold of whomever to join STYC? and figure out a summer race schedule? etc etc. Email or call me if you still have ph#
04-30-2009 01:44 AM
vizenor
Jeanneau Sunshine

I'll second Marty's recommendation of the mid 80's Jeanneaus. I got a 1986 Jeanneau Sunshine 36 with a factory option sugar scoop a few years back and it is a great boat. We too have a family of 4 (girls 12 & 17) so the three cabin layout gives everyone their own space and room for the kids to invite friends along. The sugar scoop is very handy and most of the 36's I see have them. The Sunshines can be had for $45k - $60k depending on the condition and accessories. While the girls were away at camp last summer my wife and I spent three weeks cruising Desolation Sound and the Sunshine was extremely comfortable to live on. A great light air boat too.

Bob Vizenor
s/v Aeolian
1986 Jeanneau Sunshine 36+
Seattle, WA
09-11-2008 11:17 PM
sailingdog
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Originally Posted by pegasus1457 View Post
Look at the companionway stairs -- very few. I think that says no headroom... otherwise it looks like a nice boat.
It may also be that the Newport 33 doesn't have a bridge deck, so it has a very low climb out of the cabin... If you look at photo 3, you'll see the companionway goes to the cockpit sole or very close to it.
09-11-2008 10:30 PM
pegasus1457
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Originally Posted by BarryL View Post
Hello,

If you want a good boat for a cheap price, take a look here:

1986 Newport 33 Boat For Sale


Good luck,
Barry
Look at the companionway stairs -- very few. I think that says no headroom... otherwise it looks like a nice boat.
09-11-2008 04:24 PM
DrB
I am Both...

PhD in Engineering. So that can be looked at a lot of ways.

And....fwiw... I have my boat in Salem Harbor/Marblehead side and drive about 50 minutes to get to my boat from my house (which is in Needham). It would have been closer for me to moor the boat in Boston Harbor or a little south near Hull/Weymouth etc. But when I applied the sailtime equation, things were better for Marblehead. Had I been in Boston Harbor, I really couldn't be sailing until past the Airport because of all the ship, ferry, PB, and sailing school traffic. If I had been in Hingham Bay (Hull/Wemouth) it is very shallow so I would need to motor a lot to get past Hull Gut.

So even though I drive 50 minutes, once I reach the Village st launch dock in Marblehead, it is only another 5 minutes or so to the boat on the launch, 10 minutes to prep the boat and leave the mooring and then 5 minutes to a wide open Salem Harbor.

I think your list of boats for consideration is a good one. I'd stick to the 30+ foot range for a family of four and a dog.

One more thing - Gloucester: The Annisquam is shallow at low tide. If you're serious about Gloucester, keep that in mind when looking a boat drafts. Also, the Blyman Canal bridge (in/out of Gloucester harbor to Annisquam River) is VERY tight and opens every 15 or 30 minutes I think. Maybe think about a club/mooring actually in the harbor instead of the Annisquam if Gloucester is for you.

DrB
09-11-2008 03:41 PM
hazmat17
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Originally Posted by DrB View Post
While I am all for a 15 minute drive to the boat versus a 40 minute drive, I think that one needs to look at all the full equation of time from leaving one's house to full sailing to see in this case, the drive time is not the factor.

Time-To-Sail = Time you leave your house door to the time you actually have sails up and are sailing.

For Newburyport: 15 minute drive (for Hazmat17) + 20 minutes boat prep (dock) + 30 to 40 minutes to Open Water if he is on the east side of a draw bridge. If he is on the west side of the bridge, it may add another 30 minutes to allow the bridge to open. So best case is an hour or so before he can actually sail provided that the tides and current are favorable. It could be a as long as an 90 minutes if he needs to go under the drawbridge or even longer if the tide and current are not in alignment.

For Salem/Beverly: 40 minute drive + 10 minute launch ride (mooring) + 15 minutes boat prep (no fenders or dock lines to stow) + 5 minute motor to end of harbor. No need to worry about tide or river current. Take away 5 minutes if you manage to get a slip Hawthorne Cove (Salem). So estimate time-to-sail is about an hour.

So even though the drive is longer, the time-to-sail is on average going to be shorter AND the current /tide/river mess won't come into play, nor will that narrow drawbridge.

Don't get me wrong. Newburyport is a beautiful harbor town. If I had a powerboat and lived nearby, I'd love it.

I am only suggesting to Hazmat17 that Newburyport is not an ideal spot if he wants to keep his soon-to-be sailboat AND go sail it on a weekly basis. If it is only a half dozen or so times, then it may make sense, but his OP says he wants to use it frequently.

DrB
Are you a Doctor or an engineer??? (I'm an engineer) I like your Time to Sailing metric - perfectly logical. I've since spoken to a couple local sailors - One neighbor who used to keep his boat in Salisbury (East of Bridge) and said never again - now commutes to Rockport (where he has a summer cottage as well). Also spoke with a gentleman who does private sailing lessons out of American Yacht Club (Newburyport, East of bridge). My wife has been out sailing with him a couple of times with some ladies from the Newburyport Mother's club who wanted to learn. He said most of his fellow club members don't bother to raise the sails until they are out in the bay (30 - 40 min) and getting back in at the wrong time can be a challenge.

Soooo, armed with that information, we are going to explore, Beverly / Salem / Marblehead as well as Gloucester options.

Oh and thanks to all the posters with the Boat recommendations.
09-11-2008 02:21 PM
DrB
Sailing Time Defined

While I am all for a 15 minute drive to the boat versus a 40 minute drive, I think that one needs to look at all the full equation of time from leaving one's house to full sailing to see in this case, the drive time is not the factor.

Time-To-Sail = Time you leave your house door to the time you actually have sails up and are sailing.

For Newburyport: 15 minute drive (for Hazmat17) + 20 minutes boat prep (dock) + 30 to 40 minutes to Open Water if he is on the east side of a draw bridge. If he is on the west side of the bridge, it may add another 30 minutes to allow the bridge to open. So best case is an hour or so before he can actually sail provided that the tides and current are favorable. It could be a as long as an 90 minutes if he needs to go under the drawbridge or even longer if the tide and current are not in alignment.

For Salem/Beverly: 40 minute drive + 10 minute launch ride (mooring) + 15 minutes boat prep (no fenders or dock lines to stow) + 5 minute motor to end of harbor. No need to worry about tide or river current. Take away 5 minutes if you manage to get a slip Hawthorne Cove (Salem). So estimate time-to-sail is about an hour.

So even though the drive is longer, the time-to-sail is on average going to be shorter AND the current /tide/river mess won't come into play, nor will that narrow drawbridge.

Don't get me wrong. Newburyport is a beautiful harbor town. If I had a powerboat and lived nearby, I'd love it.

I am only suggesting to Hazmat17 that Newburyport is not an ideal spot if he wants to keep his soon-to-be sailboat AND go sail it on a weekly basis. If it is only a half dozen or so times, then it may make sense, but his OP says he wants to use it frequently.

DrB
09-10-2008 10:22 PM
edstill I've been looking for something alone the same lines as the OP, so have been appreciating some of the feedback here. (Hadn't thought of the O'Day 34/35)

The sugar scoop is a 'want', but not a 'need' for me. Bigger galley an absolute requirement, says the hunch-backed admiral. I've seen some listing for Cal 33s that look interesting, and was wondering if anyone had thoughts on them.

Thanks,

Ed Stillman
s/v Arrow
Pearson 26OD
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