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|10-16-2008 01:10 AM|
Here's the link to the new Chesapeake Light Craft (CLC) boat that baboon was trying to post. Nice lookin' boat.
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|10-04-2008 11:34 AM|
White Polytarp Sails
|10-04-2008 10:46 AM|
Originally Posted by CalebD View Post
My sail is made of 6 mil polypropylene sheeting, aka plastic and duct tape. It was simply to get me up and running quickly and cheaply but it's also been a source of never-ending amusement with family and friends. My Christmas present is probably going to be a new dacron sail.
It's a lot of fun and it's been an education, especially in judging actual wind vs apparent wind as it very quickly shifts to the bow as the sail "powers up."
|10-04-2008 10:24 AM|
|paulk||If the lake you're heading towards is as small as it sounds, something like the Lightning suggested above seems to make a lot of sense. You might be able to find a used one, equipped with all you'd need, for about what materials alone would cost for some other design (try pricing out 10 sheets of marine-grade plywood, some oak for frames, and a gallon of fiberglass resin and some cloth.) With a boom tent, people have cruised long distances in Lightnings or similar boats. They're a lot nicer than a Snark. If you're still psyched to build, another design to consider would be the Norwalk Islands Sharpies, by Bruce Kirby. There are a variety of sizes, designed to be built by amateurs out of plywood. Either way, have fun!|
|10-04-2008 09:58 AM|
Quickly looking ar your first boat, weekend explorer, two boats come t mind that are similar, "Nancy's China" Sand glue plans and maybe kits are availible for this boat, an article in Wooden Boat IIRC was written about building it. Another from Glen-L designs in Cal. is the Glen-L 17. Altho not as salty as the other two you looked at. Clark craft has the Hartly boat plans, there is one fellow from down under where they originated with a 17/18' version fo the boat. I do not remember the lenth at this time either.
3-5 yrs to build a rig like you are looking at sounds about right. My stepdad built a Glen L 21 CB model in about that time. Then again as a teen it took me about 2 yrs to build an 8' pram, other things on my mind if you will.........will not go there.........
I have a list of about 8 boat plan places, along with kit style boats. Most can be found in the back end of a Woodenboat magizine, along with going to WoodenBoat Publications, WoodenBoat Magazine, Professional BoatBuilder Magazine, Small Boats Magazine and Getting Started in Boats. you can find plans and kits from them too of different boats. They also have a forum for builders, as does Glen-L designs too. I can do the list later tonight or sunday am if you like with links, not time at this moment.
Off to a race this am with 20-30 knot winds predicted.
|10-04-2008 03:21 AM|
Your Duckling isn't so ugly.
Nor is your lake too big from the photos.
My only comments are that since the fall is here there will be stronger winds and your mast, booms and sail may take a little beating from some of the stronger gusts that will come. What is the sail material by the way?
My last comment concerns the height of the lower boom. It seems a bit high and you could get a bit more sail area out of it if it was lower. That would also mean that you might have to duck as the sail goes over your head.
In the 'semi-long term' scheme of things use the Duckling that you have created and figure out what it is you want to do more of. The autumn winds may or may not wreak havoc on your standing rigging but you will certainly figure this out too.
Setting up a racing sloop to sail and raising the mast can be a real disincentive which is why I moor my Lightning with the mast up (it saves about 45 minutes of setup time, all I have to do is paddle out to it and raise the sails which is done in about 15 minutes or less).
Looking good little Duck! Nice pictures with that see through sail too!
|10-04-2008 01:39 AM|
Originally Posted by CalebD View Post
This is a link to my Picassa album. It shows the whole saga.
Picasa Web Albums - Bill - Duckling
This is one of my favorite pictures. so far.
I have to admit that a factor in being able to do this so cheaply is I had a lot of the materials already on hand. No wood was purchased, and the sail was made from materials I already had. Hardware and rope ran me about $35, and the life jackets and such were on end-of-summer clearance so they ran me just a bit over $25. Incidentals probably added a few more dollars.
The biggest factor was getting the hull, in reasonable condition, for free.
Originally Posted by Delirious View Post
Thanks for the input guys.
|10-04-2008 12:33 AM|
But the bottom line is the sloop beats all to windward - hands down.
Now, when I turn downwind and can wing out that (relatively) large main with no shrouds to interfere and pull the board up we scoot. No advantage to the sloop unless they're flying a big genoa with a whisker-pole.
But I'll tell you what. We can drive to a local reservoir and go from parking lot to sailing in 15 minutes with that Mud Hen. No shrouds, a tabernackle for the mast (I can step in by my self), boom gallows so the mast boom & gaff and sail can drop and be lashed down quickly.
I leave work and we go for a sail and have a picnic supper aboard. The simplicity of the rig gets us out there instead of watching TV baceuse there isn't time to set and tension a sloop.
|10-04-2008 12:21 AM|
Bill, Your BO is no worse than mine, I think.
Small sailboats (and don't be unnerved that people call them 'racing dighies' or just dinghies) are a blast and I would guess that more than 50% of those with much bigger boats learned to sail on them. Some of us still own day sailors as well as bigger, more gear intensive sailboats.
First of all, congrats on getting your 'Ugly Duckling' Sea Snark rigged up and working for so little $'s. That is impressive. I would like to see a picture to see how you did it so please post one here or put it in your profile.
Next, I will have a go at your questions:
Question 1: How does a gaff rig compare to a sloop in ease of sail and performance?
The gaff rig is an older and saltier looking rig IMHO but will not crank out the speed that a taller mast sloop rigged vessel will. One reason is that the wind is generally stronger higher up. I have sailed on lateen rigged (Sunfish), gaff rigged (Catboat) and sloop rigged sailboats and the easiest to set up and just go sailing with is the lateen rig as it has the fewest controls. Next would be the gaff rigged, which, if it has a jib should perform better than lateen. The most performance you can get is from a sloop rigged racing dinghy but it is not as easy to do as it can have many more controls and may require hiking out and split second decision making which is more like work (but fun).
Question 2: Is there something close to what I am looking for that is a sloop rig?
Of course there is/are. Tons of small boat designs to choose from. The only question you need to answer for yourself is what you want and whether or not you want to make one of buy a used one.
Question 3: For puttering around a lake does the rig type really matter? I don't see myself really getting into racing, but after reading about travellers, boom vangs, topping lifts, spinakers, and such I may have an inflated sense of their necessity.
Do you have any of this equipment on the 'Ugly Duckling' and haven't you been out sailing on her? No, you don't need all that stuff, it is just fun to have once you get to know how to use it and when (why doesn't hurt either).
You say 'puttering around a lake' so I get the impression that the lake is fairly small (exact location might be interesting). Does your sailing dream include trailering your boat to a bigger body of water one day? If so, your 'inflated sense of their necessity' may be justified.
Question 4: What am I not taking into account?
Do you want to be able to do some overnights on this hypothetical boat?
The bigger the boat, the bigger the headaches and costs (under 20' is still not 'big' but once you throw in a trailer it adds more maintenance chores).
To finish I will mention that I own a 19' Lightning sloop that is rigged for racing. It is a one-class design and has: outhaul, spinnaker & pole, backstay tension rigging for raking the mast, jib 'cunningham', traveler and a vang (I know I am leaving something out). I still haven't rigged up the vang as I do not race with it yet but it sails rather quickly when the wind pipes up and can scare the crap out of my wife in a gust as it heels. This boat cost me $1K with a so-so trailer and 2 sets of sails (fire sale, right place at the right time) and costs me very little per year to sail it. I also am part owner in a 27' Tartan that does not have quite as much running rigging but costs waaay more per year to maintain as it has not trailer and is really not a trailer sailboat at 7200#. Cost per sail on the Lightning is waaay cheaper than the bigger boat but the bigger, heavier boat is safer for going out in 20kt + winds in as it will not capsize in most situations.
Good luck and post a picture of your 'Duckie'.
|10-03-2008 10:43 PM|
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