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01-31-2016 07:12 PM
Brent Swain
Re: Sloop vs. Fractional Sloop vs. Cutter

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Originally Posted by outbound View Post
Jeff could you discuss mast pumping? Particularly as it relates to different rigs and spreader positions?
I use rigging wire running back stays from the point of staysail attachment on the mast. Takes the pumping right out. Even crossing Hecate Strait in 50 knots of wind without the staysail , it was nice to have it set up. Coming home from Tonga ,the first 4,000 miles hard on the wind, I set the windward runner up on a turnbuckle, and it stayed there for 4,000 miles ,each time. Gave a lot of peace of mind.
01-31-2016 06:42 PM
outbound
Re: Sloop vs. Fractional Sloop vs. Cutter

Too bad he couldn't stick "running" in there. But it was awesome. Thanks so much you made me ( and I hope many others) smile.
01-31-2016 05:35 PM
bobperry
Re: Sloop vs. Fractional Sloop vs. Cutter

Damn it Bum, that was very good.
01-31-2016 04:56 PM
Caribbeachbum
Re: Sloop vs. Fractional Sloop vs. Cutter

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Originally Posted by outbound View Post
Nah was hoping for a haiku
wind sings and mast pumps
rigging whispers soft commands
tighten the backstay



01-30-2016 11:16 AM
outbound
Re: Sloop vs. Fractional Sloop vs. Cutter

Wanted to tell you in a letter. But didn't have time so wrote a book.
01-30-2016 11:14 AM
outbound
Re: Sloop vs. Fractional Sloop vs. Cutter

Nah was hoping for a haiku
01-30-2016 10:58 AM
bobperry
Re: Sloop vs. Fractional Sloop vs. Cutter

"Jeff could you discuss mast pumping? Particularly as it relates to different rigs and spreader positions?"


In 25 words or less.
01-30-2016 09:30 AM
outbound
Re: Sloop vs. Fractional Sloop vs. Cutter

Jeff could you discuss mast pumping? Particularly as it relates to different rigs and spreader positions?
01-30-2016 09:00 AM
outbound
Re: Sloop vs. Fractional Sloop vs. Cutter

Jeff makes a very strong case for fractionals and Bernie has sold more cutters than anyone but tend to agree with Robert. When singling the biggest sail you have flying is your biggest concern. Going on deck means you are away from the helm. You try to eliminate all spots where you are dependent on one thing.
With the ocean going frac you have one backstay you are dependent on or you are reefed at or below your runners. Then you have one forestay you are dependent on. You have one big arse main. Down wind you will have main on preventor and genny on pole. Whereas no main and double headsail rig option is lost to you. With one jib on a roller either it's too small or too large or rolled to a lousy shape. Going forward to change jibs using a foil on a roller is something I hate to do in a slip let alone in a seaway by myself.
I like the belt and suspenders attitude. Have a masthead Solent . Rig a storm sail stay before passage and runners. Therefore can fly the headsail cut correctly for the wind speed without leaving the cockpit upto storm force winds. Then remove sail tie holding storm jib down and fly that as needed. Little to no deck work. Especially as I also have a very deep third reef in the main so no try sail.
Have three fore stays and three backstays. Maybe if I go turtle I lose the stick but decreases stress on the rig and can always get rid of any pumping. Watching a mast pump is scary.
Absence of jack stays means no need to go up the rig if something fails.
Yes have hydraulic backstay to de power and use it. Still think "reef early reef often" as it brings center of effort down is the main way to go.
When tired and stressed, particularly at night, just want to keep tell tails straight back and boat flat as possible. Sure tweak traveler, vang, backstay, out haul and halyard. But there are a lot of times enough is enough. Think this rig is more forgiving and easier.
Biggest drawback is coastal with the genny up. Then you need to roll the genny in before tacking a PITA. However, even in light air lose about a knot just using the Solent so live with it. Offshore it's irrelevant given how infrequent you tack. Never understood self tacking jibs on an offshore boat. Losing ability to move car and change sheet angle seems just stupid.
01-30-2016 12:58 AM
xizeekS
Re: Sloop vs. Fractional Sloop vs. Cutter

So can anybody help me to get a list of fractional-rigged monos in the 26-30 foot range, mast length 32 feet or so?
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