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03-10-2015 08:08 PM
albrazzi
Re: Advice refinishing teak and holly sole

I will be doing this job soon and will be experimenting with finishes to see what I like best. Poly has always served me well, I will def seal the edges and bottom with epoxy ANY water at all in my bilge and its all over the underside of the floor. My last Boat, a Columbia had the floors built in and the floor boards were in great shape with lots of bilge, I could wash the inside hull and bilges and just let the pump de-water, but on my CS I need to be extra careful to keep the bilge dry because its so flat. But then the PO drained the ice box to the bilge which would be OK (arguably) with lots of bilge area but pretty dumb on this boat. I am rerouting to better manage the water. The floor on the CS is so easy to remove its like they expected it to not hold up.

Seems like a ramble but some boats have bilges that keep the floor wet from the under side and some don',t and I think this affects the need to finish the underside.
03-09-2015 02:02 PM
Stu Jackson
Re: Advice refinishing teak and holly sole

We used chemical and minwax polyurethane. Don't use an orbital sander. A little by hand is all you need.

There are tons of products out there for finishing, basketball/gym floor stuff is also reportedly very good. Our miniwax isn't slippery when wet, either.

We minwaxed the edges, probably should have done the bottoms, too.
03-09-2015 01:40 PM
seaner97
Re: Advice refinishing teak and holly sole

Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkSF View Post
From the instructions for Pettit 2018 :

"Do not use Clear Sealer on teak or other oily woods before varnishing or
painting (use 2012 Super Dry Sealer)."
Yep- I found the wrong can online. I used the predecessor to the 2012.
Sorry for the confusion.
03-09-2015 12:14 PM
MarkSF
Re: Advice refinishing teak and holly sole

From the instructions for Pettit 2018 :

"Do not use Clear Sealer on teak or other oily woods before varnishing or
painting (use 2012 Super Dry Sealer)."
03-09-2015 12:05 PM
seaner97
Re: Advice refinishing teak and holly sole

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Originally Posted by RichH View Post
Excellent article. Thanks for posting.

Question - anyone using one of the clear vinyl, etc. 'sealers' prior to varnishing a sole.
What Im looking for is a sealer that will prevent the varnish, etc. from initially darkening the sanded teak ... and which takes a year or more for the previous 'color/hue' to return.
I use such vinyl 'sealers' on musical instruments, etc. prior to prime lacquer/varnish and am seeking a suitable 'sealer' for a major sole rework project on a solid teak/holly sole (not veneer).
Any sealing product name successfully used with 'Burmese-Thai' teak would be greatly appreciated (as I dont want to wait 2-3 years for proper color/hue development).
I used Petit S-120. It has been discontinued and replaced with 2018. They say it's the same stuff, just repacked, but who knows.
03-09-2015 12:00 PM
seaner97
Re: Advice refinishing teak and holly sole

Unfortunately, no pics still on my phone- but here was my experience:

Redid the cabin sole with 1/2" ply with 3/8" Brazillian Teak T&G flooring with 1/2" quartersawn maple epoxied (West System, middle cure- not fast, not slow cure). Epoxied quarter round Brazillian Teak for trim. Epoxied only the bottom to the ply, but added extra to the edges to ensure seal all round. Spar varnish in three coats to the top.
Sailed her hard with my brother in law last season, mangaged to get a thruhull leak and a small crack in the centerboard trunk that overwhelmed my bilge pump and she sat "low in the water" with the entire thing SUBMERGED for at least a week and probably closer to two before I got her hauled out and a refit/repair underway. The only thing that DIDN'T need to be touched that was touched by the bilge/seawater was the cabinsole. Once I drained, rinsed and allowed to dry out, one piece of the maple trim that I hadn't properly coated with varnish near a hatch had to be cut and replaced, but otherwise looks as good as it did when I put it down.
03-09-2015 11:53 AM
RichH
Re: Advice refinishing teak and holly sole

Quote:
Originally Posted by Swanskpr View Post
See "Saving Your Sole" article at Dakota Marine Yacht Services in Milford, Ct
Excellent article. Thanks for posting.

Question - anyone using one of the clear vinyl, etc. 'sealers' prior to varnishing a sole.
What Im looking for is a sealer that will prevent the varnish, etc. from initially darkening the sanded teak ... and which takes a year or more for the previous 'color/hue' to return.
I use such vinyl 'sealers' on musical instruments, etc. prior to prime lacquer/varnish and am seeking a suitable 'sealer' for a major sole rework project on a solid teak/holly sole (not veneer).
Any sealing product name successfully used with 'Burmese-Thai' teak would be greatly appreciated (as I dont want to wait 2-3 years for proper color/hue development).
03-09-2015 11:30 AM
hillenme
Re: Advice refinishing teak and holly sole

I'm also in the process of refinishing a teak and holy sole. I've had a surprisingly easy time with the heat gun and carbide scraper. About 950 degrees, working and area for a minute or less scraping has been easy work.

Regarding the epoxy, is it necessary to epoxy the top? Like the OP my sole is plywood veneer. I planned to epoxy the sides and bottom but was afraid I'd just make a mess of the top (anyone whose seen my other epoxy work around the boat would know I'm not too skilled with the stuff yet). If it's sealed well on sides and bottom does the varnish offer at least some water protection?
02-17-2015 09:14 AM
mbianka
Re: Advice refinishing teak and holly sole

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Originally Posted by petercra View Post
The best way to remove interior varnish is with a heat gun and scraper. Although it is possible to char the wood, with careful use that is unlikely. Keep the heat on just long enough for the scraper to peel back the varnish. Keep a vacuum handy as the peeling are fine and will get into everything if you''re not careful.

I did this also was a quick and easy job. Followed by a little light sanding. Then three coats of West System Epoxy and several coats of Fabulon which was used on Gym Floors. Worked well for me.
02-17-2015 08:41 AM
Swanskpr
Re: Advice refinishing teak and holly sole

See "Saving Your Sole" article at Dakota Marine Yacht Services in Milford, Ct
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