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10-20-2008 01:24 AM
josrulz RCR's boat--is that one on Yachtworld? If so, I think I know of it. There are several S34-Is around, and we've seen most of them. All of them in need of that $10-15k to make "right". We don't want to have to do that much right off. That's what's nice about the boat we've found--it's not perfect, but assuming survey is OK, I think we'd be cruising without too much $. Still could work on it over the winter and get it where we want it, but it's mostly labor, not much cost, and not much of it crucial.

By the way, the Sabre 30-III is only 2 inches shorter than the P31-2, and 3 inches narrower--not much difference, which is why we were considering it. We liked the 31-2 a lot, and if it weren't for me being too tall for the V-berth, it probably would have been one of our top choices. That's what brought us to the 33-2. We've chartered both the 31-2 and the 36-2 and liked them a lot (the 36 is too much bought for us too, and more $$$ anyway).
10-20-2008 01:06 AM
Delirious Those boats were on my list too (though the Sabre 30 was below my 31 to 33 ft parameter). Sabres vanish fast, and the ones that don't usually have enough problems to cause you pause.

RCR has a Sabre 34 (MkI) listing that has a LOT of potential, if you are willing to stick another $15K in sweat equity or write the check to a yard.

For us it boiled down to: is this boat sound and can I make it right again with my kitty? My wife (THE ADMIRAL) just cannot handle the sails on a 36 footer, and I'm not getting any younger, so for us it's been hard walking away from two particular boats: a CS36T that was well loved and a nice S2 11.0a that was at a VERY fair price.

Sometimes it's hard to stick to your list. Is it better to sit on a nice boat in the slip or sail a smaller and more cramped boat?

We're also severely limited by marina depth. The "choice" marina ( a little gunk-hole backwater in a primo location) is 5 ft at best with silted up spots of less and a small travel-lift that was welded up when Eisenhower was president.
10-16-2008 07:28 PM
josrulz
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Originally Posted by nemier View Post
Josrulz,

What are those models?
Well, let me qualify this by saying there are several others that we just haven't seen an example of yet, so they could end up on the list as well. That said, we've really come to like the older Sabres a lot--the Sabre 34 Mk I, 30 Mk III, and the 32. They are all very close to the same size down below, and roughly the same price range. The Pearson 33-2 is the odd man out. While Sabre might be better quality, it's hard to beat what you get for the $ with some of the Pearsons. The P33-2 is also in a similar price bracket with those other 3 Sabres.

We're also interested in a lot of other boats, but so far, these are at the top of our list for boats that are generally available, meet our needs, and are in our price range.
10-16-2008 05:16 PM
nemier Josrulz,

What are those models?
10-15-2008 08:13 PM
josrulz
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Originally Posted by Delirious View Post
Roger that. You'll notice I was pretty tight lipped until AFTER the offer was accepted in writing. ;-) Posting on the Internet is like playing poker while sitting with your back to a mirror.

I was born at night . . . but not last night.

Best of luck with your renewed search. Did you know you can subscribe to a search on New and Used Yachts for Sale - YachtWorld.com so that you automatically get an e-mail with links on Monday morning with any boats added that match your criteria? Darned nice feature for a free service.
Ha ha! I'm with you on that. Thanks for the good luck wishes. I do know about the Personal Boat Shopper feature, thanks. We have confirmed we're going to look at another boat this weekend, though not the same model that just fell through. We have basically 4 models at the top of our list, hoping to find one of them with great condition. This boat does appear to be in very nice condition, so we'll see.
10-15-2008 05:24 PM
Delirious
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Originally Posted by josrulz View Post
I agree that if the only thing was the stipulation that the price was firm, then I still might have considered it. However, there were the "other things", which I'm sorry I've had to be vague about. It's just that I don't know any way to explain the issues without it being obvious, if the broker or seller were to be a Sailnet member, they would know I'm talking abou them. And I'm not here to call people out, or try to accuse anyone of something that perhaps is just miscommunication.

The fact is, these other issues sent the "warm fuzzies" running for cover. My belief is that either something is up with the boat, or that the very least that the broker is someone who will try to screw me over for more $ during the deal. Since this boat is long distance, that can really make things tough, and I don't need it.

Thanks everyone for the support and advice though. I appreciate your take on the situation and the gut check.

Roger that. You'll notice I was pretty tight lipped until AFTER the offer was accepted in writing. ;-) Posting on the Internet is like playing poker while sitting with your back to a mirror.

I was born at night . . . but not last night.

Best of luck with your renewed search. Did you know you can subscribe to a search on New and Used Yachts for Sale - YachtWorld.com so that you automatically get an e-mail with links on Monday morning with any boats added that match your criteria? Darned nice feature for a free service.
10-15-2008 04:59 PM
Faster There are lots of boats out there, you'll find one at some point that welcomes and coddles the "warm and fuzzies"... then you'll know it's a go signal to proceed further...

The shame of it is that there may well be nothing seriously wrong with that boat - just with those involved in the sale....
10-15-2008 04:28 PM
josrulz I agree that if the only thing was the stipulation that the price was firm, then I still might have considered it. However, there were the "other things", which I'm sorry I've had to be vague about. It's just that I don't know any way to explain the issues without it being obvious, if the broker or seller were to be a Sailnet member, they would know I'm talking abou them. And I'm not here to call people out, or try to accuse anyone of something that perhaps is just miscommunication.

The fact is, these other issues sent the "warm fuzzies" running for cover. My belief is that either something is up with the boat, or that the very least that the broker is someone who will try to screw me over for more $ during the deal. Since this boat is long distance, that can really make things tough, and I don't need it.

Thanks everyone for the support and advice though. I appreciate your take on the situation and the gut check.
10-15-2008 03:58 PM
Delirious
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. . . now is not the time to buy a boat! It's hard to be logical.
Logically - the only sensible time to buy any boat is when the animals are showing up at your door two-by-two.

It's about love, not logic! ;-)

Besides - your money in the bank may be worth squat. Money - like stocks - are paper and paper is cheap. Boats are solid and have intrinsic value.

This spring my older, mostly retirement-age brother converted some stocks into a "safe" bond. His $10,000 bond is worth $18 today (Lehman Brothers).

We decided the Pearson 31-2 was surely the design we wanted because we looked at one awhile back that had many, many problems and were trying to figure out how to arrange the deal to work in remedying them. I said to myself: "Self. If you like this desin so much you're willing to save that P.O.S. why not just look further to find a nicer one?" So we expanded our search out-of-state. In fact, international, though we never did find one in Canada.
10-15-2008 03:54 PM
PalmettoSailor
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Originally Posted by josrulz View Post
Thanks for the info. I'm with you on this in theory, but not my particular scenario. It's really a compilation of the issue I've been discussing, in combination with the other stuff that I have not. Any one thing is no big deal, but when you put it all together, it doesn't sound like I'm dealing with someone who is straight-forward. I told them I'm walking. If they want to rethink some of their stipulations, that's fine, they have my broker's number.
You absolutely have to go with what your instintcts/analysis of the situation is telling you. It will have a lot to do with how much you enjoy your boat in the long run.

As you stated previously, its a boat, there will always be another one that will tug at your heartstrings just as strongly.
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