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10-16-2008 04:48 PM
sailboy21 wow.. this thread sure has degenerated!

While we are bashing Anchor Latina I would just like to add that their selection guide concludes that their 16lb anchor will hold my boat in 60 knot winds.... Hmmm..... Hurricane force winds and a 16lb anchor.. I'll pass on that.
10-16-2008 04:32 PM
sailingdog BTW, here's a screenshot of ancoralatina's "state of the art" website. As you can see, whoever designed it apparently learned webdesign by sending in boxtops from cereal boxes. The design sucks... there are text tags for missing artwork by the looks of it. On large screens it majorly fails, since the header image isn't wide enough and nothing lines up correctly. The menu on the left should have some padding or margin on the left to make it more readable, but it doesn't. The list goes on...

State of the art my butt... my six-year-old nephew could do better with a box of crayons.

10-16-2008 03:52 PM
camaraderie SemiJ..I understood your intent and tried to provide our rationale. No offense taken whatsoever. It is a fine line we try to walk.

Ancora...rather than respond to your specious arguments which have been de-bunked already, I will just say that you are no advertising genius. You run a little company with an untested product that has no distribution and no name recognition and you don't do any advertising on any site. You hope to create some business by haunting the internet chat forums touting your products and criticizing the competition and generating some orders through your "state of the art website"...fine...good just ain't getting away with it here.
10-16-2008 03:47 PM
Maine Sail
Please enlighten us

Originally Posted by ANCORALATINA View Post

An Outstanding product will advertise by itself. Wait and then you could learn more about « new products » => on other nautical forums !!!
Can you enlighten us as to which forums invite free advertising of product?

Here's a quick list of the forums I use and their commercial interest policy on advertising. All these forums allow commercial vendors to participate but NOT advertise. = NO
Cape Dory Forums = NO
Plastic Classic Forums = NO
Cruisers Forums = NO
Cruisers Log's = NO
SSCA Forums = NO
Boat US Forums = NO
Cruising World Forums = NO
Maine Coast Forums = NO

If you want to go play over at SA feel free!!!
10-16-2008 12:59 PM
RAGTIMEDON To quote S D --What are you doing using a fisherman's anchor as a kellet?
Yes, I know any weight will do, but what else can one do with an 8 lb fisherman's anchor? It's too heavy for a paper weight, and I sure as heck can't use it as my primary anchor on my 22,000 lb sailboat! I tried using it for fishing, but it dragged the bobber down!
10-16-2008 12:44 PM
xort FWIW

I bought the Manson Supreme 45 lb anchor. Would have considered the Rocna except for the bad manners of the owner.
10-16-2008 12:43 PM
sailingdog Ancoralatina—

BTW, as Maine Sail has pointed out, several of us own and are using next generation anchors. MS, myself, and probaby six or seven others are using Rocnas, and probably a like number are using Manson Supremes and a similar amount using Spades. To say that Sailnet users aren't interested or knowledgeable about next generation anchors is complete BS. IF anything, you're crappy attitude and BS is going to turn people off from your anchor rather than give them incentive to try it.
10-16-2008 12:24 PM
Originally Posted by ANCORALATINA View Post
The profile of the « mean » sailor who is participating to this thread is VERY CONSERVATIVE, ...Very few forumnites are considering « New gen » Anchors.
Perhaps. But I'm not in that category. And we are in the market for a new anchor. (However, this is a very price-sensitive thing.)

Originally Posted by ANCORALATINA View Post
As Manufacturers are NOT WELCOME to talk about their products and to explain why they have developed a new product and which characteristics are better than the ones of the competition, ...
It's not so much you aren't welcome, per se, but more that you aren't allowed to advertise, and SailNet perhaps has a very strict definition of what constitutes "advertising."

I understand SailNet's point. And where do you draw the line? OTOH: If answering questions In The Wrong Way can easily draw a rebuke, esp. if a representative isn't paying for the privilege, I can see how such people would simply refrain, leaving people like me to seek answers elsewhere. This is the "counter-productiveness" to which I earlier referred.

In the same vein: I don't know what questions I can ask a manufacturer's representative about their product that might result in an answer that'll get them censored or banned. Not being one who pays all that much attention to banner adverts anywhere, that would include here (sorry), I have no idea whom somebody like our erstwhile correspondent here might offend by citing comparisons I might request. So, all-in-all, I'll simply forgo the exercise. All of this is most-definitely not by way of complaint, but, merely, as I had intended in my earlier comments, an observation.

I don't know as there's an easy answer.

Originally Posted by ANCORALATINA View Post
...the forum will always stay VERY CONSERVATIVE, talking endlessly about the same « old generation » products.
That is not at all an accurate portrayal of SailNet's membership.

Originally Posted by ANCORALATINA View Post
An Outstanding product will advertise by itself. Wait and then you could learn more about « new products » => on other nautical forums !!!
I may be the odd man out in this respect: But I hang out only here for my on-line sailing community fix.

10-16-2008 12:19 PM
Maine Sail

Originally Posted by ANCORALATINA View Post

The profile of the « mean » sailor who is participating to this thread is VERY CONSERVATIVE, talking about products developed more than 80 years ago such as CQR, Danforth or Bruce anchors, (not talking about the Fisherman!) or about “kellets”!. This is a perfect mirror of the Sailnet's “Anchor Locker”. Very few forumnites are considering « New gen » Anchors.

As nobody (or very few) participants are aware of new developments, nobody could talk about them and/or give explanation of why they are different of, why they are better.
Wow you are way off base on this comment! There are many of us here who love and DO USE new generation anchors!!

Here is the current list of anchors I personally own.

Manson Supreme
Super Max
2 Spade's one aluminum one steel
2 CQR's

I sold my Delta Fast set to a neighbor...

Before you paint with a broad brush about Sailneters lack of understanding of new products/anchors you might want to look into who's posting on the forum and what they actually use..! I know quite a few others here who also use newer generation anchors.

I have not used a Bruce, CQR or Danforth in years and do not plan to either..

You will not win friends, just as Craig Smith has not taking the argumentative route and slamming forum guidelines.

I know the forum I moderate has the same policy and if you do it over there on we will treat you the same. Talk anchoring all you want but DO NOT try to sell your product. If it is as good as you claim your customers will do that for you.

I have been talkiing the merits proper anchoring technique and of both the Rocna and Manson Supreme ad nauseaum and I do it because I'd love to never be dragged onto again by folks who use poorer performing products!!
10-16-2008 11:58 AM
badsanta I us a super-max and love it.
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