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11-28-2008 10:21 PM
blt2ski I'm waiting for the end pieces that were not in stock when I installed them, Should be in tomorrow. I need to cut off the bolt ends for the car fiddles more than the end of the track. IMHO!
11-28-2008 10:59 AM
sailingdog Looks good Marty-

Might want to cover or round the corners on the forward end of the track, so that the corners don't catch or chafe the genoa fairlead control line.
11-28-2008 12:10 AM
blt2ski here are pics of new setup, hopefully they are visible enough.

cleaning after removal.

aft to front

Front to rear including small tracks for 110

very front of track

very rear of track and carr and cam cleat to hold the pulling end of the line

under side of deck, with new 3/4" or 2 cm washers vs the old washers that were maybe 3/8" and sless than a cm in diam.

Currently the front fiddle is held onto the ubolt of the shroud. The rear is bolted to the carr where the push/pull lock pin would be. I need to cut this bolt a bit shorter so it does not interfere with the genoa sheet.

I am hoping that by installing the new tracks farther forward I can use the far most setting for reaching to downwind legs with the 110 on windier days for cruising or crewed racing when it is too strong to use a bigger jib or the spinnaker.

I am sure like a lot of things, the playing with the setup to see how well it will work will be the fun part!

May have time to try it this weekend, but more than likely in a week during a race of all places to test it out!

11-23-2008 03:35 AM
sailingdog Look forward to seeing photos of the new setup.
11-23-2008 12:29 AM
blt2ski Well,

An update, the new holes I drilled, worked reasonably well, today, the old tracks came off, new schaefer tracks went on. I remembered I had some Schaefer cars thinking they would fit my Goiot track, I was wrong, so 3 yrs later, I am using these cars with new tracks, some Garhauer fiddles that the Owner of Fishery supply showed me when in the store a week or so ago, so may have some pics of how it turns out later tomorrow. If the 4-1 system does not work, I did get Schaefers race track, which has 3 holes per 4" of bolt holes, so even then I will be better than my old setup.

10-29-2008 10:31 AM
mikehoyt Marty

Do not recall the manufacture off hand. I believe it is factory installed with boat though.

From the car a continuous loop goes forward to a double block, back to car and again forward to double block. This is the 4:1 purchase. From there comes aft to a cam cleat on side of coachroof (where a spin downhaul is often located) and then back to single block on aft of track and forward to aft end of car.

Works extremely well and easier to use than most oter adjustable car systems I have used including on a Peterson 37 and a C&C 99

10-28-2008 08:47 AM
blt2ski Mike,

What brand of system do you have on your J? I am thinking that your genoa/jib may be about equal in size to my Jeanneau Arcadia. 220# for my 100%, 155 is 345#. I would assume a 4-1 to pull forward?

This is more of a "what do you have?" different question than original to see if an equal will work for me.

10-27-2008 10:28 AM
mikehoyt Marty

Our Niagara had holes 4 inches apart and I drilled new holes half way between the existing ones on the track. The holes only have to go as deep as the stopper pin and using a cordless drill it was very easy to do this without going too far. I did not use a stopper.

Our current boat has an adjustable car system with lines, etc.. .and is certainly a much nicer system - especially the leverage to move the cars forward under load. However it would indeed be expensive to convert as you would need new cars, blocks and cleats on each side.

I think your plan is feasible however inserting three holes between each of the existing holes could be a concern. Why not just try one for this weekend and if it seems fine you could always add the other two?

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10-27-2008 08:58 AM
blt2ski Jody, sounds like you're doing to HG that I have been attempting to do with Amoretto. Make it so you can control everything easily, and get the most speed etc. Not to mention, when it is just Sheryl and I, be it a J&J or equal style race, or a dinner evening cruise to Kingston, ways for us to handle this easy enough etc with out having to go forward.

With the new 155, it is pretty much a deck sweeper. And when we are close hauled, it does not take make carr movement to change the leech curve. Hence wanting to drill the holes for this weekend. Hopefully this will allow me to get somewhere between a really curved foot and tight leach, to a really straight foot touching the inward stays, curved leech, to something in between. right now it is either or! We could have used an in between setting.

Then with the jiblet on a tack line, my old 135 with a high cut clew, 4" of tack movment is probably like 1" with this new 155 being as close to the track as it is.

Now it is which brand ete to choose from, carr I want like I have, ie the ability to run two sheets thru it, and movement thru a line. Possibly a barber hauler option down the road too. Will figure that one out as I go.

Yes I "DO" owe you some crew time! Anyway, need to go to SYC's page and register this AM before heading to vashion.

10-27-2008 01:38 AM
artbyjody Marty - Its a tricky situation..their is the camp that says you have to do this way. For example on my redoing all rigging + deck layout - the synopsis of the pros is reduce the lines. That is all great and good but if it sacrifices control or having the ships operating procedures altered to adjust for a "disclaimer"... I'd rather have the extra line.

Most of my setup is derived from AC / Ocean race setups. Forward of the cockpit the spin / jib lines can be interchanged depending on number of crew / race mode desired. The deal is when shorthanded - everything led aft. When having a race crew (and you owe me some time on that)... everything is led forward of the dodger that takes everything less the main sheet trimming and traveler out of the picture.) and then is handled at the mast area. I am one of the few boats with a semi racing pedigree to go this route and it confuses the hell out of folks working on the boat because they have mindset you are a racer or a cruiser..Not on my has to go both routes...

Same thing I look at Genoa track...

It has to be balanced or adjustable..

Your new carbon sail is 25% larger than my jiblet you are using. That means depending on sail config / track config - everything of what you can get out of it..

Hence how I found the fallacy in the Harken recommended setup - because the jiblet you are using that I commandeered(well I owned it) .. didn't adjust with the Harken layout... not one iota and I can care less if this is "everyone else does this".. because well I see everyone off a J boat that crews my boat thinks close hauling is the answer to speed..

You'll do ok with the interim solution - interestedin seeing what the carbon foil is about..

Otherwise DAK *drunk at keyboard*...

See ya on Friday..
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