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03-10-2004 11:46 PM
WHOOSH
Sailing to Cuba...need advice on Government and expenses

Jim:

"...Cuba is not my destination, but I would like to make an occasional anchorage there on my way to Jamaica."

No, it doesn''t work that way. If you enter their national waters (12 NM limit but generously defined off outlying islands) then you are obligated to honor their clearance procedures, which means sailing to one of their few ports of entry and paying for & following their extensive procedures. Of course, you can ignore this when in an area you feel is remote but this isn''t recommended in a country that, at least insofar as its govt''l policy is concerned, is so massively concerned with border integrity, illicit visits from nasty So FL Cubans, etc. I have heard from folks who get weather bound off Cabo San Antonio (at the far W end of the island, while enroute via the Yucatan Channel) and who seek a protected anchorage without clearing in during heavy weather, but apparently the officials in that area are understanding about such wx delays...and of course the yachties don''t go ashore.

"...is there a reason you advise me to sail far from the coast of Cuba, besides political ones....is it treacherous sailing?"

I over-emphasized that statement. I just meant to reinforce the notion of honoring their 12 NM limit (including extended lines between outlying islands). Cuba is part of the Greater Antilles chain, all of which have (mostly) steep-to coastlines.

One other note about passports: I hadn''t heard the ''paper in your passport'' report before, but it was common for some years for U.S. sailors to arrive in Cuba (organized race, individual cruising plans) and request the officials not stamp the passport. They reportedly were always agreeable to this, a small penciled note being placed in a specific page of the passport as an alternative to a stamp. I don''t know if this is still a prevailing practice but it certainly underscores their awareness that Americans accept risk when visiting Cuba and try to accommodate those Yankee dollars.

Jack
03-10-2004 02:10 PM
PDixon
Sailing to Cuba...need advice on Government and expenses

Fool
If the size of your boat matched the size of your ego you would drive an aircraft carrier. Your arrogance in speaking for the members of this board is telling. How does your head fit through the door? The topic asked for advice on the Government, I gave my advice. What is your agenda here? You come off as some upper crust purveyor of good taste.
A fool is a fool is a fool
03-10-2004 01:26 PM
sailingfool
Sailing to Cuba...need advice on Government and expenses

PDixon
The crudeness of your response well matches that of your opinions.

If we should need to listen to your political opinions here, then we should need to listen to everyone elses''s and the real sailors will end up going elsewhere, as this board will become a bore, as you are behaving.
03-10-2004 12:19 PM
928frenzy
Sailing to Cuba...need advice on Government and expenses

Just to add a bit to this topic; Americans already go to Cuba, by way of another country. As they exit that other country, a paper is afixed to their passport, which is stamped by officials upon entering Cuba. Upon returning to the originating country, the afixed paper is removed, so there''s no Cuban entry stamp in the passport, and as far as the US State Department is concerned, they never officially went to Cuba.

I''m not sure, but it may be possible to do something similar when you cruise to Jamaica. If so, you will probably have to return to Jamaica to have that paper officially removed.

~ Good luck and happy sails to you ~ _/) ~
03-10-2004 11:24 AM
Jhooley
Sailing to Cuba...need advice on Government and expenses

Jack (whoosh) and everone else, Thanks for the advice. I will look into those books you recommended. Yeah, the question would have been better if I explained that Cuba is not my destination, but I would like to make an occasional anchorage there on my way to Jamaica. Just wondering if It would be trouble to do so? Thanks for the advice. One more question for Jack.....is there a reason you advise me to sail far from the coast of Cuba, besides political ones....is it treacherous sailing? Ive been looking at maps of Cubas North coast. It is dotted with hundreds of small islands, and it looks like it may be difficult to navigate. Thanks again. JIm
03-10-2004 11:20 AM
bwalker42
Sailing to Cuba...need advice on Government and expenses

03-10-2004 08:53 AM
PDixon
Sailing to Cuba...need advice on Government and expenses

Take your opine and stick it where the sun don''t shine.

Is it not true that a politician is restricting our free movement for the simple purpose gaining favor from a small vocal group of voters in South Florida, a state which played a decisive role in recent history of our country and promises to do so in the future. Is it not true that this policy does effect our sport by putting a virtual fence around a beautiful island 90 miles from our shore. Politics and real life do collide. Why do you not want me to express wider views on governmental policies which affect our sport or do you want me to put on blinders and ignore the erosion of our freedom. This board is big enough to hear the kinds of thoughts I expressed. Shame on you for trying to suppress my ability to speak out on the vital conditions which impact our sport.
03-09-2004 04:45 PM
sailingfool
Sailing to Cuba...need advice on Government and expenses

PDixon

Your policitical opinions don''t add anything to our boating knowledge or our enjoyment of the sport, which is the purpose of these mesage boards. I''ll share my opinions about politics in a more appropriate forum, but I will opine that it''s ignorant of you to plaster yours here.
03-08-2004 08:22 AM
WHOOSH
Sailing to Cuba...need advice on Government and expenses

Jim, perhaps we misread your question. If what you meant to ask is ''How do I sail to Jamaica and back...?'' then my reply would have sounded much different. That can be a fascinating run, made even more interesting if your boat and the conditions would, together, permit you to sail upwind the stretch from the Windward Passage to Ile a Vache'' in Haiti. (Don''t think revolution, denuded hills and people stealing things off your boat; instead, think walking thru the cover of a 1940''s Nat''l Geographic). The Van Sant guide I mentioned, an old/used Wallace Stone Caribbean Cruising Guide (only a few bucks via Amazon), Lethbridge''s guide on cruising Jamaica, and Rauscher''s guide for the W Caribbean will all be useful reading...and provide most of the harbor pilotage charts you need, too. (Between them, they only miss the Caymans)

You''ll want to sail well off the coast of Cuba and, whenever you can, with the wind. But all that''s easily done on a clockwise tour thru the Central Caribbean.

Jack
03-08-2004 05:19 AM
Jhooley
Sailing to Cuba...need advice on Government and expenses

Thanks Guys, I figured it would be hard to do. In response to some of the things posted: I havent bought a boat yet, and I know very little about maritime laws and such. I am familiar with coastal sailing.
I dont really want to go to Cuba. I just want to sail along its coast on the way to the eastern caribbean. So I figured I would ask, what kind of trouble it would be to stop at the occasional anchorage or to go ashore. I now understand that it is a risky affair. Thanks alot for the advice. I still want to go, but I now have a little understanding of the complexities of doing this.
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