SailNet Community - Reply to Topic
Thread: the perfect 20'' cruising boat? Reply to Thread
Send Trackbacks to (Separate multiple URLs with spaces) :
Post Icons
You may choose an icon for your message from the following list:

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.

User Name:
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:


Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.

  Additional Options
Miscellaneous Options

Click here to view the posting rules you are bound to when clicking the
'Submit Reply' button below

  Topic Review (Newest First)
04-18-2004 06:45 PM
the perfect 20'''' cruising boat?

James... where we live and sail there are long Winters to endure. Reading keeps us focused, informed and entertained.
Another interesting story about an offshore adventure in an 18 foot DRASCOMBE LUGGER is the book, "A Single Wave" by Webb Chiles.
It just amazed me what this sailor put(s) himself through...and what the Drascombe Lugger could (and later, couldn''t)handle.
Check it out.
Mark L.
04-18-2004 06:27 PM
the perfect 20'''' cruising boat?

James, Munroe designed and built many boats. The "Presto" was just a variation of the basic sharpie design. Rounded bilges, yet still shoal draft.
"Google" Ralph M. Munroe, or Presto or Egret and you''ll see.
04-18-2004 03:51 PM
the perfect 20'''' cruising boat?

I appologize for my ignorance, but I thought that one of the defining factors of a sharpie was the flat bottom. What exactly is a round bilge sharpie?

On a side note, this was in part to get ideas for josie, but also to come up with more food for thought as I continue to talk myself into building the perfect boat (for me) at some point in the future.

Thanks agian everyone.

-- James
04-18-2004 06:30 AM
the perfect 20'''' cruising boat?

James, there may be several answers to your design question. One might be the Sharpie.
There is a truly wonderful book, "The Commodore''s Story" by Ralph Munroe, of Key Biscayne, Florida.
There are accounts of some amazing voyages up and down the Atlantic coast as well as gunkholing adventures in that particular hull form.
If you happen to visit Miami, Florida, his home and workshop are maintained as a state historic site (known as "The Barnacle").
One of his innovations was a round bilged version of a New Haven Sharpie design - known as the "Presto". It is reputed to be very capable for shoal draft cruising, yet very seaworthy in open water.
Any way, James, find the book at a library. The text and pictures are very rewarding to read. I think the Sharpie designs are but one of many possible answers to the question.

I once rented a dhow (and skipper) on a very breezy day on the Nile river... steel hull, hand sewn cotton sails, a "wild" gaff design if ever there was one. It was very efficient maneuvering around obstacles (other craft, shoreline and docking. This dhow had no engine, either. There are stories of the "ancients" sailing dhows across oceans.

There are, I think, many designs which answer your question. New discoveries are always rewarding.
Mark L.
04-17-2004 09:01 AM
the perfect 20'''' cruising boat?

James, was your question theoretical, or are you thinking of ways to maximize <em>Josie</em>? If so, this thread could provide more practical suggestions, since its design and capabilities are already givens.
04-15-2004 07:38 AM
the perfect 20'''' cruising boat?

"When I raced on San Juan 21''s we would retract the keel on a run. That was pretty much standard fair in the 1970''s."

I don''t race my SJ21, but I''m pretty sure that that wouldn''t be allowed now.


04-15-2004 05:27 AM
the perfect 20'''' cruising boat?

You are right about gravity, of course. I experienced the problem with a swing keel that could not be locked down when sailing a Venture out in the Atlantic and the boat was rolled so fast and so far that the board came up and damaged the trunk. Only a quick mainsail release saved our fannies. When I raced on San Juan 21''s we would retract the keel on a run. That was pretty much standard fair in the 1970''s.

04-15-2004 03:36 AM
the perfect 20'''' cruising boat?

But gravity only works to keep the swing keel down as long as the boat is right side up!

Should you take a knock down with the keel not locked down, not only could you have a 400 or more pound keel swinging back up into your boat, taking out your trunk, but you also loose all of your righting moment!

The San Juan 21 Class Association requires racers to keep their swing keel locked down when racing for safety (but also presumably to make sure no one sneaks their keel up on the downwind legs).

Some San Juan 21 sailors have apparently experimented with various types of shear pins for the locking bolt, such as wooden dowels, so that if they hit a rock the pin will break and the keel will kick up out of harms way.


04-15-2004 02:41 AM
the perfect 20'''' cruising boat?

Some swing keels can be locked down but most count on gravity to stay down.

04-14-2004 09:20 PM
the perfect 20'''' cruising boat?

wow. thanks.

I thought a swing keel could be locked down? am I incorrect here?


-- James
This thread has more than 10 replies. Click here to review the whole thread.

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome